ICCS versus PCGS for Newfoundland coins

One last attempt at getting a good picture of the 1944 C that I sent off to PCGS. There had been some suggestions that this might be a "map" variety. Hopefully this picture will allow you to determine that.

 

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Really hard to tell with those photos, the toning makes it difficult. You need to be looking for minor raised patterns on the fields (which is from the chrome plating on the dies chipping away).

Comparing my photos to yours, certainly around the obverse legend GRA. looks the same, especially above and to the right of the R.

 

Ok, Thanks for the pic. Now at least I have a better idea of what you guys are talking about with a "map" variety.

 

I have heard back on the 1944 C Newfoundland cent that I sent in to PCGS. It graded out as MS 63 Brown. I was hoping for a RB designation but, I guess the Reverse didn't offset the mainly brown obverse. I am also looking for a realistic value and the best place to list it for sale. CoinsandCanada.com shows a price of $1500.

 

That really is surprising.. thanks for getting back to us

 

As an update, I guess PCGS decided to take a picture of the coin and post it in their population report. I'll try to send the link. My coin is the MS 63 top right with a fair amount of red on it.
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=32930

 

Nice coin gibsport, very nice for certain.

 

Neat coin! One I would dismiss without too much of a second look, if I wasn't careful.
I would not expect this to be a $500+ coin.

 

I thank you so much for all the info. I loved seeing the registry as well. Any advice on the best place to list it for sale?

 

You will not get a premium for the "map" variety... you will get a good price for a top 10 coin, however.

 

Just looking at the vertical jewels in the crown and the rim ding, I don't think that it will make MS. Looking at Trends & the CaC price site, I don't think that it is a wise decision to have it cert'd. The actual selling price of a coin has to be well above $100 to make it worthwhile to pay for the TPG.... unless you picked it up real real cheap.

 

I just got it back from PCGS. They graded it at MS63 brown. They also took a picture of it and are now using it as an example piece of an MS63 on their website. Sorry, I'm not the best picture taker. There is a link to the picture that PCGS took up above a bit. My coin is the MS63 on the top right

 

Wow! I guess that I have to eat my words. It sure looked like a rim ding to me.

 

Here is the picture taken by PCGS. They sent it for free in order to use it on their website. I am still confused why this got a brown rating instead of red/brown

 

I agree, the coins I have handled in ICCS holders are nearly always nicer for the grade than anything you would likely find in an NGC or PCGS holder. This is especially true the higher in the grade scale you go, such that, by MS-65 the ICCS coin is almost always undergraded by a full point. (That said, your results may vary greatly!)

 

They ended up giving it a grade of MS63 BROWN at PCGS

 

Well that's no fun! But all things being equal, perhaps easier to sell in a PCGS holder when the time comes to sell. Most of the coins I have experience with from ICCS were silver, silver 25 Cent pieces in particular, that all seemed WAY too conservatively graded. I don't have much copper in my collection, and aside from a few pieces from the Rome mint, almost none of it mint state.

 

I was just looking at prices and have a few questions. I saw lower mintage ones and ones a little higher and their prices are much lower. So is the 44c more valuable just because of auction records? Second, I thought I read before that the prices for Uncs and BUs on NGC are for red coins, especially when values exceed a hundred or so. A dealer also told me this I think. So, if yours is brown, how much would you say it's worth? 1,000 or 1,500, etc? Thanks

 

I am no expert on Newfoundland coins, evidently the 1944 C hasn't had many coins graded (at least by PCGS) in uncirculated condition. So, the mintage is fairly high but the available number of high grade coins is quite small. There are currently 1 MS64 in RB, 2 MS64B, 4 ms63rb and 8 MS63 brown. Like most collectors, I felt a bit ripped out with the brown designation on this one. PCGS liked it enough to make it their example piece on their website. Anyhow, there is really not much available even in red brown so the value is based off what is available. I've seen 2 price guides for Newfoundland cents in MS63. One said $2000 and the other $1500. I've heard from a couple Newfoundland collectors that those prices are quite a bit high. I haven't looked up any auction results.

 

Thanks. Yeah, I don't understand how it got brown either. If one or the other id go red, so not getting an rb designation is absurd. Maybe resubmit? Since so little have been graded, they prob wouldn't budge. NGC might be the way to go