I took a chance, real or fake?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Boxeldercoin, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Boxeldercoin

    Boxeldercoin New Member

    DSCF5267.jpg DSCF5265.jpg DSCF5264.jpg DSCF5263.jpg DSCF5268.jpg Hi, I took a chance and bought a raw 1916-d Mercury dime. What do you think, Real or Fake. Thanks, Jim:hail:
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Dunno, but I sure hope you know who you bought it from quite well.
     
  4. JJK78

    JJK78 Member

    Yeah what he said... Hopefully noone in China ;) Need clearer pictures of the mint mark, I'm no expert but if real thats a $10K+ coin so for your sake I hope it's real. If you don't mind disclosing how much did you pay for it?
     
  5. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    There's some CT members that are quite knowledgable in the field of '16-D mintmark diagnostics, and hopefully they'll chime in with their opinons. This appears to be a raw coin, which is scary in itself (especially in that grade).
     
  6. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    I hope for your sake it's real.

    The key date of a popular series in AU/BU. That's exactly the kind of coin that's supposed to be bought in a slab.
     
  7. Boxeldercoin

    Boxeldercoin New Member

    Hi, Yes I know the people well, and the coin was from a estate of a long time collector who pass away last year. I will be sending the coin in to PCGS this next week. Jim
     
  8. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Make sure you post the results, and good luck!
     
  9. chridular

    chridular Member

    Intriguing... I really can't wait to see the results after submission.
     
  10. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    doesn't look good to me. see the depressed area around the mint mark. looks just like an example of a fake 32s quarter they had on Pawn Stars the other night. and that was from a woman that had it for 30-35 yrs also. the coin is nor a fake, that is it's a real dime, it's the mintmark that is transferred from a common date.
     
  11. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Likewise, hope all is easy. I really hope it is good as it is a wonderful looking coin. I would be concerned about the mintmark as it does appear like one with a rounded opening that was "moved" a little at the bottom to appear more like a triangle shaped opening, doesn't look like the strong triangle type. Hope not, Best luck!

    jim
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The reason I hope you know them well is so you can get your money back if it is not real.
     
  13. Boxeldercoin

    Boxeldercoin New Member

    I would never ask for my money back. If I buy a coin that is fake it is my mistake not theirs. I take full responsibility for my actions. No one makes you buy any coin or note so I feel the buyer take the chance, when buying raw coins if the coins are real or fake. If someone knowingly sell a fake coin then that is a different story. I was brought up to take responsibility for my actions and not to blame others for my mistakes. Jim
     
  14. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Be careful, that diagnostic you are referring to is pretty specific to the 32d and s quarters. You need the specific diagnostics for these 16d dimes.
     
  15. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    It almost looks like a die 2 but I can't seem to match up the top od the D and the top of the inside bar of E correctly, so I don't know. But you can look for yourself here: http://www.cointalk.com/t101697/
     
  16. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Perhaps fake. The "D" is placed in the position used late in the series. Here is a 1918 D. Note different position.[​IMG]
     
  17. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I really can't tell but I'm leaning towards fake , as the inside of the MM is the wrong shape compared to the originals I compared it with , sure hope I'm wrong though .
     
  18. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    I agree. The position seems off slightly. I dont see the blackish soddering appearance that you can get around faked 32S quarter marks. Good luck, and I hope you get a good result!
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    While I applaud you for that way of thinking, a case like is kind of different. The person selling the coin does not have to know it is a fake. Whether they know it is a fake or not, it is still illegal to sell a fake coin. And because of that the seller is obligated, by law, to return your money if the coin proves to be fake.

    Hopefully you also understand that for you to return the coin and get your money back, in no way hurts the seller because all you are doing is returning things to the exact same condition that existed prior to the sale - you have your money, they have their coin. The seller takes no loss nor does it cost him any money out of pocket.

    edit - also, if you know these people as you say you do, how do you think they would feel knowing that you were out all of that money ?

    if such a thing happened to me, just about everybody I know would insist that I take my money back.

    You might want to consider that as well.
     
  20. Boxeldercoin

    Boxeldercoin New Member

    Hi, I understand your point, But these folks no nothing about coins and I am helping them sell a huge estate of coins, currency and bullion. I explained to them how many fakes of 1916-d Merc's are out there and if I buy the coin raw the price would be low because the chance of a fake is great. So I bought the coin as is raw and I will either win big or lose. That is the nature of taking a gamble. I still and always will be a firm believer it taking responsibility for your own actions and besides taking a little risk is what makes life exciting. Life without a little risk and excitement is a boring life! Jim
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Position seems to match die 2, and die 2 has a die crack from the lower left corner of the fasces down to the rim as does this coin. And the crack is in the same place as an authenticated Die 2 piece in the "Test you authentication powers" tread. I'd say the odds that it is good just got a lot better.
     
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