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<p>[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 4631330, member: 84179"][USER=24314]@Insider[/USER] I've always enjoyed your columns in the numismatic publications and learned a lot from them over the years, but I disagree with your conclusions on this coin. From a materials science and metallurgical standpoint, it doesn't make sense for the discoloration to be so uniform if it was caused by inhomogeneities in the melt. I would expect any poorly melted/mixed area to be random in size and shape. While the rolling process elongates these grains/domains, the thickness should vary due to the original shape of the poorly mixed region. Think of the old silly putty ads. When you transferred an image from a comic and stretched it, did it deform at a consistent size and shape across the entire piece?</p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, I believe that the mint was doing something in the early 80s with the rolling process. The lines in the OPs cent look like stains, not a composition variation. Process Engineers are always looking for ways to make things "better, faster, cheaper" (I've spent a chunk of my career as a process engineer). I suspect that they made a process change that somehow resulted in oils/lubrication being pressed into the surface as the ingot was rolled. It may have taken a little time for this to discolor, but once it was noticed, the process was changed. This would explain the [USER=1859]@mikediamond[/USER] comment about seeing this discoloration on cents from this time period. I can also add anecdotal information about seeing these thin, even stripes on cents from the 1980-81. If oils are forced slightly below the surface during the pressures from the rolling process, I would expect stains from environmental exposure, not laminations.</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope this answers some of the questions you posted in previously. I'm not 100% convinced that roller marks are the explanation, but it makes a lot more sense than improper alloying (at least to me)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Oldhoopster, post: 4631330, member: 84179"][USER=24314]@Insider[/USER] I've always enjoyed your columns in the numismatic publications and learned a lot from them over the years, but I disagree with your conclusions on this coin. From a materials science and metallurgical standpoint, it doesn't make sense for the discoloration to be so uniform if it was caused by inhomogeneities in the melt. I would expect any poorly melted/mixed area to be random in size and shape. While the rolling process elongates these grains/domains, the thickness should vary due to the original shape of the poorly mixed region. Think of the old silly putty ads. When you transferred an image from a comic and stretched it, did it deform at a consistent size and shape across the entire piece? IMO, I believe that the mint was doing something in the early 80s with the rolling process. The lines in the OPs cent look like stains, not a composition variation. Process Engineers are always looking for ways to make things "better, faster, cheaper" (I've spent a chunk of my career as a process engineer). I suspect that they made a process change that somehow resulted in oils/lubrication being pressed into the surface as the ingot was rolled. It may have taken a little time for this to discolor, but once it was noticed, the process was changed. This would explain the [USER=1859]@mikediamond[/USER] comment about seeing this discoloration on cents from this time period. I can also add anecdotal information about seeing these thin, even stripes on cents from the 1980-81. If oils are forced slightly below the surface during the pressures from the rolling process, I would expect stains from environmental exposure, not laminations. I hope this answers some of the questions you posted in previously. I'm not 100% convinced that roller marks are the explanation, but it makes a lot more sense than improper alloying (at least to me)[/QUOTE]
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