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<p>[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3916300, member: 98956"]One thing for those confused by lint marks</p><p><br /></p><p>And for those seeking "expert" opinion, here's NGC's research director's take on the "Superbird" from 2004:</p><p><br /></p><p>"The "Superbird" variety is the result of a lint impression. The proof dies were periodically wiped with a soft cloth to clean them, and small pieces of lint sometimes remained on the die face. These caused an impression on the coins struck from these dies. In this instance, the piece of lint settled on the die in the shape of a letter 'S' and transferred this figure to the coins struck from it.</p><p><br /></p><p>NGC has been certifying this Cherrypicker variety for several months, and you'll find more than 40 examples in our Census." n.1</p><p><br /></p><p>I disagree with Mr. Lange over his explanation of how the mark on the coin is created. The "lint" (or whatever) is PART of the die, not ON the die. Please note that whether it was created during the die making process or forced onto the die during strikes is irrelevant to the issue at hand. </p><p><br /></p><p>The issue is whether the 1966 SMS "5" and Superbird "S" were created from pieces of lint (or some other object) raised on a coin or from something that became part of the design of the die (creating a depression on the die).</p><p><br /></p><p>Please correct me if I am wrong. Here's a logical flow through:</p><p><br /></p><p>(1) The lint remains on the die. </p><p>(2) The lint would are a raised figure on the die</p><p>(3) Raised figures on a die create incuse impressions on a coin. n.2</p><p>(4) The Superbird "S" and the 1966 SMS "5" are in relief</p><p>(5) An incuse die depression must have formed the "S" and "5" on the coins</p><p>(6) The lint could not have settled on the die because it is raised</p><p>(7) The lint (or other object) must be part of the die. n.3</p><p><br /></p><p>Notes</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Lange, D.W., Director of Research. <i>What is the superbird quarter? information please.</i> NGC Forums: US, World, and Ancient Coins, Sept. 16, 2004, <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/29508-what-is-the-superbird-quarter-information-please/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/29508-what-is-the-superbird-quarter-information-please/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/29508-what-is-the-superbird-quarter-information-please/</a>.</p><p>2. <i>Contra</i>, <i>e.g.</i>, Wexler, J. <i>Doubled Dies</i>. Wexler's Die Varieties, n.d., <a href="https://doubleddie.com/58222.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://doubleddie.com/58222.html" rel="nofollow">https://doubleddie.com/58222.html</a>, retrieved Dec. 4, 2019.</p><p>3. <i>See</i>, supra, post 54.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3916300, member: 98956"]One thing for those confused by lint marks And for those seeking "expert" opinion, here's NGC's research director's take on the "Superbird" from 2004: "The "Superbird" variety is the result of a lint impression. The proof dies were periodically wiped with a soft cloth to clean them, and small pieces of lint sometimes remained on the die face. These caused an impression on the coins struck from these dies. In this instance, the piece of lint settled on the die in the shape of a letter 'S' and transferred this figure to the coins struck from it. NGC has been certifying this Cherrypicker variety for several months, and you'll find more than 40 examples in our Census." n.1 I disagree with Mr. Lange over his explanation of how the mark on the coin is created. The "lint" (or whatever) is PART of the die, not ON the die. Please note that whether it was created during the die making process or forced onto the die during strikes is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue is whether the 1966 SMS "5" and Superbird "S" were created from pieces of lint (or some other object) raised on a coin or from something that became part of the design of the die (creating a depression on the die). Please correct me if I am wrong. Here's a logical flow through: (1) The lint remains on the die. (2) The lint would are a raised figure on the die (3) Raised figures on a die create incuse impressions on a coin. n.2 (4) The Superbird "S" and the 1966 SMS "5" are in relief (5) An incuse die depression must have formed the "S" and "5" on the coins (6) The lint could not have settled on the die because it is raised (7) The lint (or other object) must be part of the die. n.3 Notes 1. Lange, D.W., Director of Research. [I]What is the superbird quarter? information please.[/I] NGC Forums: US, World, and Ancient Coins, Sept. 16, 2004, [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/29508-what-is-the-superbird-quarter-information-please/[/URL]. 2. [I]Contra[/I], [I]e.g.[/I], Wexler, J. [I]Doubled Dies[/I]. Wexler's Die Varieties, n.d., [URL]https://doubleddie.com/58222.html[/URL], retrieved Dec. 4, 2019. 3. [I]See[/I], supra, post 54.[/QUOTE]
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