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<p>[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3916277, member: 98956"]Hi Kevin!</p><p><br /></p><p>I think I could live with that. If I'm correct, and just to clarify, you're speaking of mintmarks (RPM and the like), dates (when punched on older coins), and the actual coin design (such as doubled dies and mules)? I think this conforms with NGC's definition that "numerous doubled dies, overdates, repunched mintmarks <b>and the like</b> . . . qualify as varieties[.]" n.1</p><p><br /></p><p>There's two possibilities where the lint could have came in, right? </p><p><br /></p><p>(1) At the die making stage, where lint came between a hub and a die (unlikely, but possible). If so (just positing), this would make the resulting "5" an EDS marker, right? Over time, the lint mark would wear off - and other markers would indicate MDS or LDS. In this situation, would it still matter if it's an anomaly? I'll expand later.</p><p><br /></p><p>(2) During striking, where a lint came between a planchet and a die. I've never held a die, but I imagine they're not that malleable. My understanding of physics is that if you have a hard object pressed against a softer object, and a soft piece of lint in between, the softer object will be indented (thinking Mohs scale).</p><p><br /></p><p>Take play dough and a mold - if lint came in between it, the plastic mold wouldn't have an indentation, but the play dough would? Alternatively, if they were both of equal hardness, the lint would press into both (thinking die clashes or a diamond scratching a diamond), right? </p><p><br /></p><p>However, assuming the pressure is enough and a lint mark occurs, wouldn't the resulting lint mark be a die dent error? n.2</p><p><br /></p><p>If so, then isn't the hoof-shaped dent in the Kansas silver quarter an error, and not a variety? NGC's diagnostics require "[a] hoof-shaped dent in the die appears at the bison's hip." n.3 </p><p><br /></p><p>What's particularly damning (especially for lint naysayers) is this evidence:</p><p><br /></p><p>Wait for it... </p><p><br /></p><p>Wait for it... </p><p><br /></p><p>Wait for it...</p><p><br /></p><p>The 1962 "D" on Bell Franklin half dollar proof.</p><p><br /></p><p>In order to receive the attribution as a Fivas-Stanton, FS-901, NGC requires a "D" on the reverse of a 1962 proof 50 cent, SPECIFICALLY noting that "[a] <b>lint impression</b> from cleaning of the die or some other impressed object <b>created the illusion of a letter "D"</b> on the bell to the right of STOW." n.4</p><p><br /></p><p>Side comment: For those without pareidolia, the Misplaced "5" (Nickel on the Dime, sorry, I like my son's term!) and Superbird "S" are MUCH more clear than the "U" (I don't even remotely see a "D") on the 1962 <i>variety</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Where NGC appears to contradict itself is in its comments, writing that "[t]his is a <b>similar variety to the "Superbird" quarter</b> of 1952." n.5</p><p><br /></p><p>But didn't NGC discontinue its attribution of the "Superbird"??? n.6</p><p><br /></p><p>I didn't check all of the FS-901 varieties on NGC's website for "lint impressions", but that one was one of the first I saw. </p><p><br /></p><p>Are there others?</p><p><br /></p><p>Notes</p><p><br /></p><p>1. <i>See </i>Staff Writer. <i>What is a Variety? </i>NGC Variety Plus, n.d., <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/what-is-a-variety/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/what-is-a-variety/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/what-is-a-variety/</a>, retrieved Dec. 4, 2019 (emphasis added).</p><p><br /></p><p>2. <i>See </i>Staff Writer. <i>Die Errors: Die Damage: Die Dent</i>. Error-Ref.com, Pt. IV, n.d., <a href="http://www.error-ref.com/die-dent/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.error-ref.com/die-dent/" rel="nofollow">http://www.error-ref.com/die-dent/</a>, retrieved Dec. 4, 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p>3. Staff Writer. <i>NGC Attribution: KANSAS - DENTED BISON</i>. NGC Variety Plus, 2019, <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/quarters/state-and-territorial-quarters-1999-2009/816775/?page=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/quarters/state-and-territorial-quarters-1999-2009/816775/?page=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/quarters/state-and-territorial-quarters-1999-2009/816775/?page=1</a>, retrieved Dec. 4, 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p>4. Staff Writer. <i>NGC Attribution: 1962 "D" ON BELL FS-901 50C PF</i>. NGC Variety Plus, 2019, <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/franklin-half-dollars-1948-1963/820299/?page=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/franklin-half-dollars-1948-1963/820299/?page=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/franklin-half-dollars-1948-1963/820299/?page=1</a>, retrieved Dec. 4, 2019 (emphasis added).</p><p><br /></p><p>5. <i>Id</i>. (emphasis added).</p><p><br /></p><p>6. <i>See</i>, supra, post 54.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3916277, member: 98956"]Hi Kevin! I think I could live with that. If I'm correct, and just to clarify, you're speaking of mintmarks (RPM and the like), dates (when punched on older coins), and the actual coin design (such as doubled dies and mules)? I think this conforms with NGC's definition that "numerous doubled dies, overdates, repunched mintmarks [B]and the like[/B] . . . qualify as varieties[.]"[I] [/I]n.1 There's two possibilities where the lint could have came in, right? (1) At the die making stage, where lint came between a hub and a die (unlikely, but possible). If so (just positing), this would make the resulting "5" an EDS marker, right? Over time, the lint mark would wear off - and other markers would indicate MDS or LDS. In this situation, would it still matter if it's an anomaly? I'll expand later. (2) During striking, where a lint came between a planchet and a die. I've never held a die, but I imagine they're not that malleable. My understanding of physics is that if you have a hard object pressed against a softer object, and a soft piece of lint in between, the softer object will be indented (thinking Mohs scale). Take play dough and a mold - if lint came in between it, the plastic mold wouldn't have an indentation, but the play dough would? Alternatively, if they were both of equal hardness, the lint would press into both (thinking die clashes or a diamond scratching a diamond), right? However, assuming the pressure is enough and a lint mark occurs, wouldn't the resulting lint mark be a die dent error? [I] [/I]n.2 If so, then isn't the hoof-shaped dent in the Kansas silver quarter an error, and not a variety? NGC's diagnostics require "[a] hoof-shaped dent in the die appears at the bison's hip." n.3 What's particularly damning (especially for lint naysayers) is this evidence: Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... The 1962 "D" on Bell Franklin half dollar proof. In order to receive the attribution as a Fivas-Stanton, FS-901, NGC requires a "D" on the reverse of a 1962 proof 50 cent, SPECIFICALLY noting that "[a] [B]lint impression[/B] from cleaning of the die or some other impressed object [B]created the illusion of a letter "D"[/B] on the bell to the right of STOW." n.4 Side comment: For those without pareidolia, the Misplaced "5" (Nickel on the Dime, sorry, I like my son's term!) and Superbird "S" are MUCH more clear than the "U" (I don't even remotely see a "D") on the 1962 [I]variety[/I]. Where NGC appears to contradict itself is in its comments, writing that "[t]his is a [B]similar variety to the "Superbird" quarter[/B] of 1952." n.5 But didn't NGC discontinue its attribution of the "Superbird"??? n.6 [I][/I] I didn't check all of the FS-901 varieties on NGC's website for "lint impressions", but that one was one of the first I saw. Are there others? Notes 1. [I]See [/I]Staff Writer. [I]What is a Variety? [/I]NGC Variety Plus, n.d., [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/what-is-a-variety/[/URL], retrieved Dec. 4, 2019 (emphasis added). 2. [I]See [/I]Staff Writer. [I]Die Errors: Die Damage: Die Dent[/I]. Error-Ref.com, Pt. IV, n.d., [URL]http://www.error-ref.com/die-dent/[/URL], retrieved Dec. 4, 2019. 3. Staff Writer. [I]NGC Attribution: KANSAS - DENTED BISON[/I]. NGC Variety Plus, 2019, [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/quarters/state-and-territorial-quarters-1999-2009/816775/?page=1[/URL], retrieved Dec. 4, 2019. 4. Staff Writer. [I]NGC Attribution: 1962 "D" ON BELL FS-901 50C PF[/I]. NGC Variety Plus, 2019, [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plus/united-states/half-dollars/franklin-half-dollars-1948-1963/820299/?page=1[/URL], retrieved Dec. 4, 2019 (emphasis added). 5. [I]Id[/I]. (emphasis added). 6. [I]See[/I], supra, post 54.[/QUOTE]
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