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<p>[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3915674, member: 98956"]Thank you enamel7!</p><p><br /></p><p>I've read some responses saying that it is simply an error, but this is where I was hoping for some more discussion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a question I might posit: In your opinion, is the "S" on the Superbird an error or a variety? </p><p><br /></p><p>It doesn't look like a misplaced mintmark to me and I think the most logical reasoning is that it's lint-related. Here are two possible answers:</p><p><br /></p><p>(1) One supported by NGC, which by removing it from their VarietyPlus, seems to agree with Mr. Weinstein (Fred, we're not acquainted, hence the formality) regarding a lint mark theory or a mint-related error within normal mint tolerances. In fact, NGC's site states, "This is just a lint impression from a cloth used to wipe the die, something quite commonly seen on proof coins, though normally found without this coin's distinctive shape." <i>See</i> n.1</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe NGC stopped attributing the Superbird in 2007 or so?</p><p><br /></p><p>(2) One supported by PCGS and both Mr. Fivaz and Mr. Stanton, who have it as a variety. The latter listed it in their Cherrypickers' Guide as a variety and the former listed it with reference to the latter (as an FS-901). <i>See</i>, <i>e.g.</i>, n.2; <i>See also</i> n.3. I don't have a recent Cherrypickers' Guide handy to quote the late authors, but PCGS doesn't list this as a Fivaz-Stanton exclusion and appears to continue to attribute Superbirds. <i>See </i>n.4</p><p><br /></p><p>When two sets of experts disagree, who is correct? </p><p><br /></p><p>I think this is where I find coins much more fascinating than the law. The former is inherently subjective, while the latter is impotently objective. </p><p><br /></p><p>Apologies for the treatise!</p><p><br /></p><p>Notes</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Staff Writer. <i>Washington Quarters 1952 25C PF</i>. NGC Coin Explorer, n.d., <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/washington-quarters-pscid-38/1952-25c-pf-coinid-15984" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/washington-quarters-pscid-38/1952-25c-pf-coinid-15984" rel="nofollow">https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/washington-quarters-pscid-38/1952-25c-pf-coinid-15984</a>, retrieved Dec. 3, 2019. </p><p><br /></p><p>2. Hernandez, Jaime. <i>It's a Bird, It's a Plane…No It's a 1952 Superbird Quarter!</i> PCGS News, Oct. 8, 2013, <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/its-bird-its-plane-superbird-quarter;" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/its-bird-its-plane-superbird-quarter;" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/news/its-bird-its-plane-superbird-quarter;</a> </p><p><br /></p><p><i>3. </i>Hernandez, Jaime. <i>1952 Superbird Washington Quarter</i>, PCGS News, Jul. 10, 2008, <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/1952-superbird-washington-quarter" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/news/1952-superbird-washington-quarter" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/news/1952-superbird-washington-quarter</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>4. Staff Writers. PCGS Exclusions from the Fourth edition Vol. II and Fifth Edition Vol. I of the Cherrypickers' Guide. PCGS Services, n.d., <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/cherrypickerexclusions" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/cherrypickerexclusions" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/cherrypickerexclusions</a>, retrieved Dec. 3, 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p>5. Staff Writers. 1952 25C "Superbird" FS-901 (Proof). PCGS Coinfacts, n.d., <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1952-25c-superbird-fs-901/144443/66" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1952-25c-superbird-fs-901/144443/66" rel="nofollow">https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1952-25c-superbird-fs-901/144443/66</a>, retrieved Dec. 3, 2019.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 3915674, member: 98956"]Thank you enamel7! I've read some responses saying that it is simply an error, but this is where I was hoping for some more discussion. Here is a question I might posit: In your opinion, is the "S" on the Superbird an error or a variety? It doesn't look like a misplaced mintmark to me and I think the most logical reasoning is that it's lint-related. Here are two possible answers: (1) One supported by NGC, which by removing it from their VarietyPlus, seems to agree with Mr. Weinstein (Fred, we're not acquainted, hence the formality) regarding a lint mark theory or a mint-related error within normal mint tolerances. In fact, NGC's site states, "This is just a lint impression from a cloth used to wipe the die, something quite commonly seen on proof coins, though normally found without this coin's distinctive shape." [I]See[/I] n.1 I believe NGC stopped attributing the Superbird in 2007 or so? (2) One supported by PCGS and both Mr. Fivaz and Mr. Stanton, who have it as a variety. The latter listed it in their Cherrypickers' Guide as a variety and the former listed it with reference to the latter (as an FS-901). [I]See[/I], [I]e.g.[/I], n.2; [I]See also[/I] n.3. I don't have a recent Cherrypickers' Guide handy to quote the late authors, but PCGS doesn't list this as a Fivaz-Stanton exclusion and appears to continue to attribute Superbirds. [I]See [/I]n.4 When two sets of experts disagree, who is correct? I think this is where I find coins much more fascinating than the law. The former is inherently subjective, while the latter is impotently objective. Apologies for the treatise! Notes 1. Staff Writer. [I]Washington Quarters 1952 25C PF[/I]. NGC Coin Explorer, n.d., [URL]https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/washington-quarters-pscid-38/1952-25c-pf-coinid-15984[/URL], retrieved Dec. 3, 2019. 2. Hernandez, Jaime. [I]It's a Bird, It's a Plane…No It's a 1952 Superbird Quarter![/I] PCGS News, Oct. 8, 2013, [URL]https://www.pcgs.com/news/its-bird-its-plane-superbird-quarter;[/URL] [I]3. [/I]Hernandez, Jaime. [I]1952 Superbird Washington Quarter[/I], PCGS News, Jul. 10, 2008, [URL]https://www.pcgs.com/news/1952-superbird-washington-quarter[/URL]. 4. Staff Writers. PCGS Exclusions from the Fourth edition Vol. II and Fifth Edition Vol. I of the Cherrypickers' Guide. PCGS Services, n.d., [URL]https://www.pcgs.com/cherrypickerexclusions[/URL], retrieved Dec. 3, 2019. 5. Staff Writers. 1952 25C "Superbird" FS-901 (Proof). PCGS Coinfacts, n.d., [URL]https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1952-25c-superbird-fs-901/144443/66[/URL], retrieved Dec. 3, 2019.[/QUOTE]
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