i sent coins in to anacs and they came back different

They never gave me access to compare them. So whats the point?
I think they are on my old phone. My son took them for me.

 

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As has been asked several times who is they? You don't send coins to the recognized TPGs to be auctioned and sold like your post implied.

Where are the specific details?

 

Given the hostility shown here at the mere idea, I will not name the company or be specific.
They are well known and recognizable and its shocking they dont use transparent methods to protect their customers.

 

TPGs aren't auction companies, but sure their transparency is the issue lol.

Anyways, PCGS and NGC don't have a submit to us and we will auction your coins option which is very easy to see. Even ANACS and ICG don't publicly have one.

If someone wants to use a low tier company that is on them. Any implication of I submitted my coin to PCGS, CAC or NGC, and they supposedly auctioned it off by their own will is just nonsense.

 

Then the coins don’t exist. Whats the deal you said you had such good pictures earlier. Well that’s okay let’s see the slabs. Did you sell all those? No pictures no coins nice story!
Reed.

 

So, you sent tens of thoudands (possibity) worth of coins to be sold without doing your homework? The loss is on you, nobody else.

 

“Very high grade but raw coins” lol
“tens of thousands (possibly)” lol again
“they subtracted huge fees” d’oh! fees?
“I think they are on my old phone” too bad
“They have...” who they?
“They did...” who again...?
“They” yeah sure

 

Why the hostility?
These organizations do not take ordinary precautions that they should take as a matter of course.
Why wouldnt they?
Why would you be so angry?
Its obvious there are huge gaps and opportunities for fraud if even credible known companies dont take routine precautions.
I guess I should have known better than to express an unpopular opinion here. I have been here for years and have seen the hostility.
Why would you question me? I have been a numismatist since 1963. Have bought and sold thousands of coins.
Yet, in defense of an unknown, unnamed company, you publicly mock me and question my word.
Why? What do you get out of it?
I was on subject. I gave my reasons, and the process is not transparent. What I stated as possible could easily have happened.
Not just to me either. If my experience is typical of how they all work.
You argue against that happening. Given human nature, and opportunity, its inevitable. Why is it you believe all of these TPG's and auction houses have perfect integrity, but I dont?
Are you not simply questioning the integrity of those you disagree with?
At least I can point to weaknesses in their process that support my theory. Do you have any rational reason for mocking and questioning me?
I just knew this would happen and should have remained silent. Why bother to post on here?
What I said is true. Exactly. I know my hobby.
I did not go into details because it just would have resulted in even more attacks. The pics are on my old phone. But all I have is the before. If I went to the time and trouble to find and post them, you would just use it to mock me.
I dont know why anyone posts here.

 

1. First mistake was you jumped this thread.
2. WITHOUT PICTURES YOUR STORY IS JUST THAT A STORY.

If you have been following this thread you’ve seen the OP has acted erratic and has made great claims with little to no evidence that the TPG he sent in his coin to came back a different coin. At least the OP had loaded some images albeit of dubious origin for us to look at. And repeated attempts to get the OP to provide better pictures have been ignored.

I say this because you are acting like the OP. You stated you had taken images but can’t produce them because their lost to time. You wouldn’t be having such a rough time but you jumped the wrong thread. Like I stated before without pictures your story is just that a wild story. Sorry but some of us are tired of the “stories” and all of us tire of thread jumpers.
Reed.

 

Your post was off topic and did not belong in this thread. Start your own thread. Is that really that hard to understand?

 

No it's not from a legitimate TPG.

TPGs and auction houses are NOT the same, not even close not even remotely. They serve completely different functions

You've yet to point out a single legitimate weakness that would encourage the fraud you keep claiming the TPGs engage in. It's especially nonsense since their process at the legitimate ones and the first tiers especially occur under video surveillance.

 

I haven't seen any hostility. It's not hostile to call someone to task for specious claims they're not willing to support with hard evidence.

 

Nope!
You presume the worst of the OP and his intent, and pics. And me.
You impugn his motives and mine, presuming the worst, while defending the TPG/Auction houses.
I dont know if the OP has a valid claim or not. Thats not my concern and was never my point.
Given what I experienced, there are huge security flaws you can drive a truck through. Given human nature, it has happened.
My point was not an accusation, as I will never know because they didnt follow secure procedures.
And, why should I post pics? There is nothing to compare them to, so all I succeed in doing is getting jumped and have my integrity impugned no matter how nice the coins are.
The OP has a valid beef, and its his responsibility to follow through.
What is interesting is how the dealer replied when shown evidence. I will just tell them I cleaned it
Hmm? Sounds an awful lot like You cant prove it to me. Is cleaning a normal tning for submitted coins now?
Maybe the OP was cheated. Maybe not. Even with good pics I would have not tried to decide. Not my pay grade. Same applies to me. Maybe.
But there is no need to impugn anyones character. And given the poor security involved, this probably does happen.
Even if I and the OP are idiots, wrong is still wrong.

 

In your specific case, are you talking about a TPG or an auction house?

 

Nevermind I'm not feeding the trolls anymore

 

I agree with @baseball21 and I’m going to stop. @littlehugger you have been put on ignore.
Reed.

 

Same here. It's a waste of time. I don't believe either of them.

 

Agreed. 0 proof, not even logical explanations, and you can only tell someone that TPGs and auction houses are different so many times. It's been corrected enough now that anyone reading through can find accurate information if they chose so time to just move on.

 

Where is the benefit for an established company that relies on in its reputation to bring in millions of dollars of yearly business to systematically switch coins gaining $50 or $100 bucks? It just doesn't make sense. Even if it's a rogue employee, it would be a rare instance and established companies use whatever means necessary to maintain there reputation in the marketplace

As to the auction house debacle, my guess is the poster didn't fully read and understand the contract they were signing. Did he get hosed? Maybe. But if he fully understood what he was doing, he wouldn't have been posting comments like it was a TPG selling his coins and that they didn't stay in contact. Sounds to me like he sent the coins to an auction house and allowed them to send the coins to a TPG. they came back at lower grades than anticipated, sold for lower money, and now the seller is upset because nobody contacted him before the sale. If that's what happened, then the seller is as much to blame for not staying in contact with the auction house.

Just my thoughts on listening to the stories, since nobody has posted anything resembling proof that they were wronged