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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ibuyit2, post: 1818255, member: 56890&quot;]I only know that I have gotten some past the TPGs but in other instances as far back as 2-3 years ago they would not even encapsulate a coin if they thought it had been cleaned. I can prose you that if they do the cleaning it will not have that designation on the label. When you get the coins back there will be a sheet of paper with the coins that contain the grades and on that paper they add &quot;This coin chosen for conservation&quot; that is the only place you will see it,it sure will not be on the label,but if you do it and get caught they will put that on the label and give you a Details grade! Look we are all grown men and women on this site,so tell me,if you submit your coin and voluntarily add &quot;oh by the way I have already performed the Conservation on it myself&quot;do you think they will grade the coin and never take into account that you have already done the Conservation. Don&#039;t say&quot;well if the Conservation/Cleaning has been done properly they will&quot;. I think we all know that TPG is multimillion dollar service per year and as such there is no way that Mr. Joe Blow is going to start a grading service and be successful. You don&#039;t have the money to compete with them much less get an endorsement from the ANA. It&#039;s just like the Early Release program. Do you actually think the TPGs look at each and everyone of those coins? They barely have time to take them out of the packaging,print the labels,put them in the slabs,seal them and get them back to their customers! Money,Money,Money for them and their customers. I can wait 2-3 months,buy the same coin in the same grade but without the fancy label,take them both out of the slabs and no one can tell you which was minted first. I will get off the Bully Pulpit now but it just irks me that the TPGs have you over a barrel and there&#039;s nothing you can do!![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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