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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Kentucky, post: 1472283, member: 33176&quot;]<img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> Originally Posted by mrbrklyn <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t205352-31/#post1472100" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t205352-31/#post1472100"><img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a> </p><p>The nice brown tone makes one wonder why anyone&nbsp; would&nbsp; attempt to clean such a coin.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe&nbsp; the nice, even,&nbsp; brown tone exists due to the cleaning. The thing might&nbsp; have been a mottled dark&nbsp; turd before, who knows? All I know is that I&nbsp; like that coin, and that to me is&nbsp; what&#039;s important.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> Originally Posted by Kentucky <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t205352-31/#post1472114" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t205352-31/#post1472114"><img src="http://www.cointalk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a> </p><p>The analogy of a tree falling in the woods is actually very&nbsp; apt.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with most of what you said, except for&nbsp; this. The tree-sound example represents a cause and effect, whereas the cleaned&nbsp; coin example represents an actual state. The completely analogous tree example&nbsp; would be:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does a&nbsp; tree fall in the woods?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I will agree, but what I was getting at was more of a definition (thanks for the cleaned vs harshly cleaned tags Doug).&nbsp; If a tree falls in the woods, it causes compression waves to happen.&nbsp; If you define noise as the compression waves, there is a noise.&nbsp; If you define a noise as the interaction of a compression wave with an eardrum, then it requires an eardrum to be present to be considered a noise.&nbsp; The main thing is in a coin - if you like it and it is attractive to you,you buy it, if not, you don&#039;t.&nbsp; As an absolute, it is difficult to REALLY know a coin has been cleaned (even read harshly cleaned in some cases) unless you did it.&nbsp; I would like to think there is a non-harmful way to increase the attractiveness of a coin without harming the coin or the sensibilities of coin purists I respect.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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