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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Cherd, post: 1472183, member: 24754&quot;]Maybe&nbsp; the nice, even, brown tone exists due to the cleaning. The thing might&nbsp; have been a mottled dark turd before, who knows? All I know is that I&nbsp; like that coin, and that to me is what&#039;s important.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with most of what you said, except for this. The tree-sound example represents a cause and effect, whereas the cleaned coin example represents an actual state. The completely analogous tree example would be:</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around, does a tree fall in the woods?&quot;[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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