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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Kentucky, post: 1472114, member: 33176&quot;]The analogy of a tree falling in the woods is actually very apt.&nbsp; Lets use the example of the FE cent our friend from Brooklyn posted.&nbsp; He says it was cleaned.&nbsp; Who knows this for sure?&nbsp; Is it apparent from the pictures?&nbsp; Can you really tell?&nbsp; If he claimed this cent was not cleaned, how many would dispute his word?&nbsp; Now he sells it and the person he sells it to decides to sell it and doesn&#039;t disclose the fact that it was cleaned because he forgot he was told that.&nbsp; Is this fraud.&nbsp; I know that there are many mis-represented and bogus coins sold and there is often blame to be assigned.&nbsp; If you find a 1909-s VDB roll hunting, do you represent it as having been cleaned if you don&#039;t clean it?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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