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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;A.J., post: 1471761, member: 35316&quot;]I think that if we are reducing it to an epistemological discussion, then we have really come off the rails.&nbsp; This is not an issue of a tree falling in the forest with no one around to hear it.&nbsp; There is an objective reality where the coin is either cleaned or it isn&#039;t.</p><p><br /></p><p>By your logic, if you can successfully pass off a counterfeit coin, that means it&#039;s authentic.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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