I like Cleaned Coins and you should to thread

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Agree, especially older coins unless they are just too butt ugly to have anything done to them to attempt to make them look better like this thing:

 

Is this picture any better?

 

What happened to her breasts?

 

Hard to see. If there was more toning, you could see them along with the hair and eyeball. I am thinking it may be closer to XF since it has the eyeball and hair. It is just hard to see.

 

Thus Speaketh a man..

 

she is wearing bagging clothing

She is wearing draping, baggy clothing. She is from the 1800s and is modest.

 

you think the 18th century was one of modestly and prudishness?

 

How so GDJMP

 

Yes, it looks like someone wanted to make the toning like some of this MS coins with the toning just around the details. They should have left it with the original, brown and gold toning, it would be more valuable. I don't believe I would have been able to buy it for $23 in that case though. Numismedia lists VF at $48 and XF at $84 but G4 at $23 so the coin got downgraded to G4 it appears. After looking at it closer and the presence of the eye and hair I am thinking that maybe this coin is maybe XF details atleast VF/XF details.

 

When I used the PCGS originally, I got VF 25. The seller's reasoning of "I saw a coin listed at VF and this coin is much nicer than that one, so it must be XF" didn't fly with me. I would have paid lower if I could but people kept outbidding me so I figured it must be worth more since it was to others. Still half price for that harsh cleaning though according to Numismedia. I ordered a Redbook and should check that. You can't ignore what is obvious though as far as what is cleaned or not. Those circular marks are systematic and look intentionally done. I am just wondering if the last owner did it but probably not since the reverse is starting to re-tone. If I was to speculate, I would say this coin if it made it into a slab, which it might, it would be listed as "VF-Details, Harshly Cleaned".

 

Originally Posted by buddy16cat
She is wearing draping, baggy clothing. She is from the 1800s and is modest.

1800's is the 19th century.

 

that too.

 

How about older silver, from the 17th century? Should that be cleaned? Those Busts look almost like copper.

 

duplicate posts (well same opinions).

 

If you dip it then it is cleaned, if not its ugly. I would probably prefer ugly but would buy that close to melt either way. Ugly is authentic. Polished up and raw could be a Chinese counterfeit. I don't know what I am responding to, maybe an older post. It was a post about a Morgan.