What? Cheese cloth in the dishwasher? Atoms and microns? An easier way to do it is only get quality coins that don't need to be cleaned. Stop cleaning your coins people!
What do you think of this cleaned coin? It isn't the best scan, looks better in the air-tight. What do you think someone should pay for it? I will post the obverse soon.
I think it is an attractive coin. If the coin surface shows heavy parallel cleaning marks, the value would probably be a multiple of bullion value. If the date is rare, it could be worth more. If the only evidence of cleaning is the fact that the entire surface is blast white, natural ageing in the environment would make it hard to know that it has been cleaned. At least that is what I think. I'm sure Doug would disagree.
The front, it is 1858. I wonder what "details" grade this would be. The seller listed it as XF but I think it is VF 25.
I am not crazy about that coin really and would consider selling it. I like the one below. I don't know why some people say how heavily cleaned it is. You mean someone purposely made this look like a turd? They talk about the absence of dirt somewhere. Couldn't dirt be removed while carrying it in your pocket or just by dipping it in acetone. I know acetone or even soaking in distilled water is considered cleaning and does remove dirt but I don't consider that "heavy cleaning". I just think some people like to throw that term around or that they have the ability to tell what exactly has been done to every coin in existence to stroke their own ego. Of course some may just not be familiar with a series. I know it is harder to find non-cleaned examples with older coins since so many were cleaned. I am sure many coins make it into non-details slabs that have had some sort of cleaning because they didn't detect it. I am going to a PM dealer soon to see if I can get some junk seated, I like them worn and beat-up sold at melt.
I don't either. I think it would be cleaned if you wanted to make your coin look more like a turd. They said it was cleaned "because the absence of dirt in the grill" or something which could be rubbed off in someone's pocket. Even getting wet would take care of that even with distilled water.
buddy your pics are out of focus so it almost impossible to say one way or the other if either of those coins has been harshly cleaned or not. Your comment about looking at a coin and not seeing dirt in some areas but yet seeing it other areas is correct. That condition quite often occurs on coins that have been harshly cleaned and it also occurs quite often on coins that have not been harshly cleaned. That's merely 1 example of why it is difficult to determine if a coin has been harshly cleaned or not. There are things as well such as hairlines and/or fine scratches. These too can found on both. basically it takes more than a bit of skill and experience to determine if a coin has been harshly cleaned or not. It is one of the most difficult things there is to learn about coin collecting. And that is why there are so many people who either just can't tell or who make mistakes in that determination.
Maybe it is the air-tight that is making this picture blurry, I will try this again. I don't want to take it out but do have another pic of it not in the air-tight since it wasn't in a proper container when the last owner took a picture or shipped it which makes me wonder if he ever had in the right container at all.