I just dropped in to say hi and show off my Judaeans

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Deacon Ray, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Sorry to Ray for our changing the topic (most threads seem to morph into something else anyway). This could easily become political I suppose (something I am opposed to) but if one wanted to create a new thread there are merits to discussing the dating system as it pertains to collecting ancients.

    Anyway, good to see you back Ray, great coins, photos and artwork as usual! Top notch!
     
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  3. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    Nice collection. Here's my only Judaean coin.
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  4. Plumbata

    Plumbata Well-Known Member

    Whoops ran afoul of the mods, apologies for stepping on any sensitive toes. To be fair it was a critique of culture(s) and postmodern deconstructionism, not politics. Certainly a fine line though depending on the reader's perspective and affection (or lack thereof) for Western Civilization so I'll be more careful in the future.

    Relevant to the heady early days of Christianity is what may be a contender for the very first overtly Christian coin type ever struck:

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    A 0.8g 14mm Silver coin of Ezana, Ethiopian king of Axum (encompassing Northern Ethiopia and environs plus Yemen), who was converted to Christianity by the Syrian monk Saint Frumentius sometime in the 2nd quarter of the 4th century A.D. Interestingly, much of the country practiced a branch of Judaism prior to peaceful conversion to Christianity and most of the descendants of the ancient Jewish Ethiopians, known as Beta Israel, emigrated to Israel in the last quarter of the 20th century under Israel's Law of Return. It is cruddy right now but based on experience should clean up wonderfully once it arrives tomorrow.

    Chronologies for the history of the powerful but relatively mysterious Axumite kingdom are ambiguous but my sense is that these Christian coins started being struck sometime between A.D. 330-340. The reverse inscription reads: +TOV TO APECH TH XWPA "May this (Holy Cross) please the country" which is way more overt than the little cross control marks etc. snuck onto contemporary Roman coins. Not my prior cup of tea but I've been completely enthralled by the history, culture, and architecture of Axum and will certainly perish if more of their relatively obscure coins aren't obtained soon.
     
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  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Glad to see you back and what a great display!

    As a secular humanist I have no issue using BC/AD for this very reason. Plus, if it's good enough for the 2007 RIC II.1 authors, it's good enough for me.
     
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  6. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    If you only have one, that's a great one to have, @swish513 ! Thats' one of my favorites.
     
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  8. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    It's just temporary (I hope :dead:) until they hire a full time Pastor.
     
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  9. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    My apologies, @green18 ! Yes, you're correct, we shouldn't bring our religious beliefs into the forum. I appreciate your comments.
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    FANTASTIC collection @Deacon Ray ! It has been very fun watching you grow it! I knew that you were very busy concerning your added responsibilities, and I hope they hire a full-timer soon. However, I feel that you are fulfilling the role (and then some), and you are truly enjoying it! As in anything, the pressure of the responsibilities will need to be relieved. Thank you for your kind service during this time.

    Here is an arbritrary old coin, since I really do not focus in the area that you do:

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    Kolchis 5th-4th Century BCE BI hemidrachm 11.5mm 1.8g Archaic female head possibly Georgian goddess Dali - Bull head border SNG Cop 98
     
  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    You just shared pictures of you going about your work, a job that you are really passionate about. That in itself is not trying to recruit someone to your religion. You never told anyone to convert, or stated that your religion is the only one, or the correct one, nor linked your post to any recruitment website or material.

    I believe that other fellow overreacted to your post.
     
  12. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

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  13. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    And an awesome heritage it is...

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    Vexillology is another hobby of mine!
     
  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    It's good to see you posting again @Deacon Ray and good luck with your interim pastorship. Must be exciting for you.
     
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  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Deacon Ray, That's an enormous & impressive collection :jawdrop:! Your presentation is equally impressive ;).
     
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  16. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Thanks, Sallent but it's okay! Sometimes I get carried away when posting information about my personal life. I'd prefer to connect with other ancient coin collectors and not create obstacles that could divide us.
     
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  17. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    He’s not talking about religion or proselytizing his faith. He was just stating his position. If you don’t want it to be a problem, then don’t make it one.
     
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  18. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    It is good to see you posting again Ray.
     
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  19. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    As a non-religious person, I can attest to the fact that the totally non-aggressive way in which you present your work life helps me feel connected to you and other Christians in a way I might not feel otherwise. We're all in this together and it's so important to build trust and understanding!

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    Crispus c. 322-23, Trier - chi-rho on shield

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    Early Christian overstrike (cross) on Constans VLPP. Found in Norfolk in 1990.
     
  20. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Well said, Sev, and I feel exactly the same way :).

    Good to see you again, @Deacon Ray! Gorgeous presentation, as always :).
     
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  21. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Thanks for all of your great comments, my friends!
    I think I'm feeling an Ancients Forum


    ADDICTION RELAPSE


    coming on.


    :eek::confused::joyful::singing:
     
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