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Message:: [QUOTE="foreverEBG, post: 2290294, member: 73517"]-Superdave, What you say is a very good defense for the VAM market and I get that the information contained in any strike, as long as it can confirmed with mint records, is an outstanding specialty to our hobby. For the record I agree that less experienced collector take this view to an extreme I just feel there should be some industry standard as for when a Variety is a variety and not machine doubling. -Condor101, I know that CAC is for the affirmation of the grade that the coin was slabbed but any even novice numismatist should be able to at least say "yes I agree that it's AU-55 or no it's AU-50" And still, when I worked at the local coin shop, I had collectors asking if a coin is cleaned. Which is surprising as the characteristics, as minute as they can be, can still be identified by the naked eye. Now if you're talking about a *details* label that I still have more to learn about. Any label that had "Details" on the slabbed we called a "Red label" but I've even owned a Dehlonghlalea (spelling?) with a ANACS slab that brought just as much premium as one with a non-details does. ----I'm just saying...........[/QUOTE]