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<p>[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2149640, member: 15929"]I normally do not post eBay listings but this one was suspicious and then obvious as I had asked the seller for a photograph of the inside edge of the clip.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-EISENHOWER-IKE-DOLLAR-CLIP-ERROR-RARE-ON-THIS-DATE-New-edge-pics-added-/271863391160?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=eG10y4YnyKtioHpSl%252Bk%252BhktMSk4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-EISENHOWER-IKE-DOLLAR-CLIP-ERROR-RARE-ON-THIS-DATE-New-edge-pics-added-/271863391160?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=eG10y4YnyKtioHpSl%252Bk%252BhktMSk4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-EISENHOWER-IKE-DOLLAR-CLIP-ERROR-RARE-ON-THIS-DATE-New-edge-pics-added-/271863391160?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123&nma=true&si=eG10y4YnyKtioHpSl%2Bk%2BhktMSk4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I knew what the response would be as I knew what the photograph would show BUT, by the time the seller had gotten back to me, the listing had sold.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is definitely an altered coin in that the clip is NOT genuine. The edge photo clearly shows that the coin was cut after minting.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412364[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The above image clearly shows 3 distinct clad layers. Which in fact is what these coins consist of however, the method of blanks creation would not create what is shown above.</p><p><br /></p><p>Specifically, blanks are gang punched out of CnClad Sheets. Gang punching (similar to a three hole paper punch) consists of a rod being forced into a receiving hole. Whatever is in the way, ends up with a hole in it. The end result is a coin blank which is literally "pushed" through the sheet. Similar to the bits of paper (holes) left over from a 3-Hole Paper punch.</p><p><br /></p><p>This process causes stretching and breaking of the CnCladding. On the downward thrust, the cladding stretches up onto the blank creating the two colored edges typically seen on a CnClad coin. Part copper and part CopperNickel.</p><p>The sheet being punched, gets the opposite effect in that the CnCladding gets stretched down into the hole created by the punch.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since a "clip" is technically and "incomplete blank" what the inside of the clipped area would show should be the exact "opposite" of the the edge of the coin shows as illustrated below.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412367[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Never would the inside of the clip be this:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412364[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Above is what you would see if you cut the coin in half since no stretching and breaking would be occurring.</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin in the listing has other tell tale signs such as the details ending abruptly. Specifically, the last "7" in the date.</p><p><br /></p><p> [ATTACH=full]412371[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The reverse was not as convincing (which is why I asked for the additional photo):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412370[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I let the seller know but evidently somebody had already purchased the coin. The seller hadn't ended the listing, the coin sold.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2149640, member: 15929"]I normally do not post eBay listings but this one was suspicious and then obvious as I had asked the seller for a photograph of the inside edge of the clip. [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-EISENHOWER-IKE-DOLLAR-CLIP-ERROR-RARE-ON-THIS-DATE-New-edge-pics-added-/271863391160?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123&nma=true&si=eG10y4YnyKtioHpSl%252Bk%252BhktMSk4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url] I knew what the response would be as I knew what the photograph would show BUT, by the time the seller had gotten back to me, the listing had sold. This is definitely an altered coin in that the clip is NOT genuine. The edge photo clearly shows that the coin was cut after minting. [ATTACH=full]412364[/ATTACH] The above image clearly shows 3 distinct clad layers. Which in fact is what these coins consist of however, the method of blanks creation would not create what is shown above. Specifically, blanks are gang punched out of CnClad Sheets. Gang punching (similar to a three hole paper punch) consists of a rod being forced into a receiving hole. Whatever is in the way, ends up with a hole in it. The end result is a coin blank which is literally "pushed" through the sheet. Similar to the bits of paper (holes) left over from a 3-Hole Paper punch. This process causes stretching and breaking of the CnCladding. On the downward thrust, the cladding stretches up onto the blank creating the two colored edges typically seen on a CnClad coin. Part copper and part CopperNickel. The sheet being punched, gets the opposite effect in that the CnCladding gets stretched down into the hole created by the punch. Since a "clip" is technically and "incomplete blank" what the inside of the clipped area would show should be the exact "opposite" of the the edge of the coin shows as illustrated below. [ATTACH=full]412367[/ATTACH] Never would the inside of the clip be this: [ATTACH=full]412364[/ATTACH] Above is what you would see if you cut the coin in half since no stretching and breaking would be occurring. The coin in the listing has other tell tale signs such as the details ending abruptly. Specifically, the last "7" in the date. [ATTACH=full]412371[/ATTACH] The reverse was not as convincing (which is why I asked for the additional photo): [ATTACH=full]412370[/ATTACH] I let the seller know but evidently somebody had already purchased the coin. The seller hadn't ended the listing, the coin sold.[/QUOTE]
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