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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 712890, member: 19463"]I have had the 'honor' of handling fakes from this group on two occasions. Most recently, at the coin show in Richmond VA, a friend/dealer had a set (all that were in the pictures) which I could examine at length. I considered the group obviously fake but could well have been fooled by individuals mixed in with other coins. 'Repatination' is a strong word for the surfaces. They were toned rather like you get with Deller's Darkener and heat. Many genuine victims of zapping (electronic cleaning) have a similar look and many dedicated collectors of uncleaned coins are proud of their zapping skills so there is no question that these will be accepted in appearance by many people. I have coins in my collection with similar treatment and am happy to have them. If you collect something a bit on the rare side, you have to decide how picky to be about such matters. If five examples of a rare coin are known and three of them have been poorly cleaned, how many are you willing to consider?</p><p><br /></p><p>Style is another matter. The coins do not all look correct compared to the mints indicated on their reverses. Many LRC's look strange but Alexandria mint tends to look strange in a different way than Siscia. Specialists take note when they see a believable Siscia obverse paired with an Alexandria mintmark. The coins will fool beginners and non specialists up to and including my level of expertise if we are not taking time to look carefully. I still recommend buying from reputable dealers. That is why the guys that showed me the coins had them. Some dealers have quite a collection of 'Black Museum' items which figure in their personal education and maintaining their status as 'reputable'.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 712890, member: 19463"]I have had the 'honor' of handling fakes from this group on two occasions. Most recently, at the coin show in Richmond VA, a friend/dealer had a set (all that were in the pictures) which I could examine at length. I considered the group obviously fake but could well have been fooled by individuals mixed in with other coins. 'Repatination' is a strong word for the surfaces. They were toned rather like you get with Deller's Darkener and heat. Many genuine victims of zapping (electronic cleaning) have a similar look and many dedicated collectors of uncleaned coins are proud of their zapping skills so there is no question that these will be accepted in appearance by many people. I have coins in my collection with similar treatment and am happy to have them. If you collect something a bit on the rare side, you have to decide how picky to be about such matters. If five examples of a rare coin are known and three of them have been poorly cleaned, how many are you willing to consider? Style is another matter. The coins do not all look correct compared to the mints indicated on their reverses. Many LRC's look strange but Alexandria mint tends to look strange in a different way than Siscia. Specialists take note when they see a believable Siscia obverse paired with an Alexandria mintmark. The coins will fool beginners and non specialists up to and including my level of expertise if we are not taking time to look carefully. I still recommend buying from reputable dealers. That is why the guys that showed me the coins had them. Some dealers have quite a collection of 'Black Museum' items which figure in their personal education and maintaining their status as 'reputable'.[/QUOTE]
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