I dare you!!!!!!!!!

Of course. The same challenge applies with respect to illegal drugs that are cultivated, processed, and/or manufactured outside of the U.S for the intent of importation into the U.S.

As with drugs, cut off the distribution channels that are actually in the U.S., as well as the importation channels thereof.

Pressure foreign governments to enact 'like' legislation in their home countries, and cross one's fingers they actually enforce such home legislation. This is indeed what is presently happening with respect to U.S. illegal drugs.

Otherwise, the hands of the United States are tied. The laws are already on the books about counterfeit coins. What else do you suggest the U.S. do about foreign governments... Storm the beaches of China? Enact economic sanctions against China? Neither is going to happen. And frankly, in my opinion the U.S. Authorities don't see this as a large enough problem in terms of the bigger, economic and geopolitical picture.

The only other remaining viable strategy, in my opinion, is what Canerrcoins suggested in his opening post.

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If nothing else......Y'all sure can fall off point quick TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!

 

No. Distribution and importation channels meaning the venues where people can buy them, i.e. auction sites. Hence the key word "channel"

 

All that being said, a good deal of mail gets searched when it enters the country through customs. (Heck, even my luggage gets searched at the airport without me being present.) There are a large number of items illegal to mail into the country from foreign addresses (drugs, explosives, certain alcoholic beverages, fresh fruits/vegetables.)

Thousands of parcels are seized every day by customs. Why not add another illegal item to the list?

 

I bet it would increase mail theft!

Fall off point how? You're the one that "dared" us to do something and now you seem to have an attitude about the discussion.

 

No attitude at all, just commenting on the topic drift. The USPS has nothing to do with the "Dare"

 

Again, that "channel" (auction sites) is bound by Chinese laws. Just because their headquarters are in America does not mean that they have to follow American law throughout the world. Maybe they could be charged in China for prohibiting an open market if they did not allow them to be listed. Again, what is in China is under Chinese law. It is not until it hits America that it becomes illegal - physically hits America, that is.

 

It has a lot to do with it. How do you think all those Chinese counterfeits from ebay get into the country?

 

Nor does trying to convince everybody that American law does not trump any other county's laws. Trying to convince China to sign the copyright/patent law treaty (or whatever its proper name is) is on topic, but is more likely to give us all a headache more than accomplish anything. Making laws that can be enforced and then enforcing then is more of a topic.

 

I could imagine that an aggressive US Attorney could argue that for those auction sites which are headquartered in the U.S., if the company's senior officers are aware that specific Chinese counterfeits are being brokered through their online sites, such officers are in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 473.

 

Right, but you did't quote the rest of my text, which said that it should be illegal to facilitate the sale of coins not meeting these specs. So if the Chinese made coins that were "normal sized", it would be illegal for E-bay to allow sale of them on their website. This wouldn't keep them all from coming in...nothing would...but it would make a dent.

 

You need to reread the original post. It says nothing about Chinese law. It actually says nothing about American law. What it does say is get the problem in the news. Get people to be aware of the problem. Make noise. etc.

 

What I don't get is the US Customs can sniff out and confiscate like a rat to cheese any coins being imported from Cypris, yet they can't do the same thing from China. China is a major trade partner and throwing out red flags and restrictions on imports may fare badly, but I just can't buy the ability doesn't exist. If you think all containers in port aren't checked, you're absolutelly wrong. The means are there, the desire is not.
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You need to read that law again. We are talking about coins. There is no requirement that coins be any size - normal or other. They just need to be marked "COPY". You have apparently confused the currency laws with the coinage laws

 

That's because I already concurred with your statement hours ago! I pasted the current laws regarding currency to support your point! :headbang: Please see above...

 

My guess is that there are a whole bunch of aggressive attorneys (way too many, IMHO) in the US and absolutely none have succeeded yet. Maybe that should give you a clue that you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

I wasn't barking up any tree... as was stated before, the laws on the books are rather exhaustive as they stand, and as was said, the suggestion made by the OP in their original post is a viable avenue worth considering.

As to your guess as to whether prosecutions have indeed been carried out, and whether they've been successful or unsuccessful, that is strictly a 'guess' on your part.

Indeed such prosecutions, whether successful or not, would be matters of public record.

 

No, you need to read everything all over again so you'll see that my comment was a suggested change...not an interpretation of the current law. I was recommending as a solution to the problem to pass a law making the sale, distribution, or facilitation of the distribution of normal sized coins illegal in the U.S., but over or undersized copies would be allowable.

 

Too many people talking at once here...my comment wasn't directed to you. Thanks for posting that law. I think you could get away with being less strict with the coinage...I think even a 10% variance would be enough.