I can't resist a pretty denier

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  1. TheRed

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    One of my collecting areas is Anglo-Gallic coins, especially those of the early Plantagenet kings. By far the most prolific ruler of the dynasty, in terms of coins minted, is Richard I. While there were only three types of deniers minted in his name, they were produced in huge quantities in Aquitaine and Poitou. There is some speculation that coins in Richard's name were struck as a type immobilises by John and Henry III. And with that huge quantity comes dozens of varieties. The latest addition to my Anglo Gallic collection is a very common variety of denier for Richard, minted in Aquitaine.
    Richard I AR Denier as Duke of Aquitaine 1172-1189 AD Bordeaux mint.
    18.0mm 0.86g
    Obv: +/RICA/RDVS/ω in four lines.
    Rev: +AQVITANIE, cross pattee within inner border.
    AGC 5 1/a

    While it is the most common varietiey of denier of Richard from Aquitaine, I love the tone of the coin and am always happy to add an attractive one of Richard to my collection.

    Feel free to add any coin or coins that, despite being common, you are happy to have added to your collection.
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    A nice looking addition, great toning for sure.

    Mine on the other hand....

    Richard I "Lionheart" (1189 - 1199 A.D.
    Anglo-Gallic, Aquitaine Count of Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine 1172-1185 A.D., King of England 1189-1199 A.D.
    AR denier
    O: + / RICA / RDVS / ω.
    R: +AQVITANIE. Cross pattée.
    Bordeaux mint.
    Elias 4; Poey D'Avant 2768.
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  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Truly lovely toning!

    Here's my Richard:
    Screen Shot 2020-05-28 at 8.21.08 PM.jpg

    And a common coin I especially like:
  5. TheRed

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    That is a nice looking denier @Mat and has much better portion of the legends visible than my example. Now you just need to add an example from Poitou!

    @Severus Alexander I like both of those coins. Your denier from Poitou is actually a rare variety. The Withers, in their wonderful book on Anglo-Gallic coins, note that only 20-40 coins of the variety exist.
  6. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    I have an example from Poitou, but have yet added one from Aquitaine...

    Med-05a-FPoi-1168-Richard I-D-343A.jpg French Feudal - Poitou
    Richard I, r. 1168-1185
    AR Denier, 17mm x 1 grams
    Obv.: +RICARDUS REX, cross patée, annulet in third quarter
    Rev.: PIC / TAVIE / NSIS, written in three parallel lines
    Ref.: AGC 343A (1/a), Duplessy 926, Roberts 3887, SCBC 8008, De Wit 394
    Note: My First Medieval Coin
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  7. TheRed

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    That's a great coin Fitz, and a wonderful King to start your medieval collection with. I have yet to add the type of denier you have to my Anglo-Gallic collection.
  8. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    I had been working on an Aquitaine/Plantagenet collection myself for a while. Still something I have a desire to do, as it is amazing the branches this family had.

    I was about to post a bunch of coins, but the realized it would get too lengthy. I should just save it for its own post once I get a few more coins... I’ll leave it to these two relations of Richard’s:

    Med-05a-FAqu-1152-Henry II-D-2-1a.jpg
    French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Henry II, r. 1152-1168
    Bordeaux Mint, BL Denier, 16.57mm x 0.8 grams
    Obv.: +hENRICVS REX, cross pattée
    Rev.: º+º / AQVI / TANI / ºEº, in four lines
    Ref.: AGC 2 (1/a), Duplessy 1030, Roberts 3881, SCBC 8001, (Elias 1)
    Ex. R.D. Frederick Collection. Ex. A.H. Baldwin

    Med-05a-FAqu-1185-Eleanor-D-9B-1a.jpg French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Eleanor, r. 1185-1204
    AR Denier, 17.86mm x 0.8 grams
    Obv.: + DVCISIT, M above, A below, two cross pattee on either side
    Rev.: + AQVITANIE, Cross Pattee inside; Ref.: AGC 9B (1/a), Duplessy 1025 (Anonymous of William X), Roberts 4313, SCBC 8011, De Wit 401

    I really need to upgrade that Eleanor...
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  9. TheRed

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    Those are two great coins @FitzNigel especially that denier of Henry II. A collection of coins of Aquitaine would be really fun to put together. There would be a number of really interesting and famous noble families represented.

    When you upgrade your Eleanor denier I would be more than willing to give the old denier a new home.
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  10. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    I paid far too much for it considering the condition it’s in. Sadly Eleanor’s don’t come up too often, and I jumped the gun.

    what I find interesting is that in the pictures of all these Aquitainian/Poitou coins, there seems to be a grainy quality to the metal. I wonder what causes that? Is it the soil where they were found, or the quality of the Billon? While the Henry II is clearly grainy to the eye in hand, I hadn’t noticed it in my other coins, and so assumed it was my poor photography. But seeing others (and taking a cursory glance through my other French deniers which are likewise grainy) is making me second guess that.
  11. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Another Richard denier from Poitou:

    Anglo-Gallic Silver Denier, Richard I, Count of Poitou, 1172-1185

    Obverse: RICARDVS REX (King Richard), cross within inner dot border
    Reverse: PIC/TAVIE/NSIS (Poitou) in three lines across field
    Silver, 19 mm, 1.14 gm

    Poitou (Poitiers) was located in Aquitaine, now part of France.

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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Just got a book on Eleanor.

    Great coins, both. Especially the Eleanor! I would REALLY like an Eleanor.
  13. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Aquitaine is nice and all but Poitou deniers are better -- better metal, better size, better weight.

    richard poitou.JPG
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  14. TheRed

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    I can't really argue with that. My largest and nicest denier are from Poitou.
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  15. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I think that these are Melle products, struck in billon made with silver from the local mines. The standard was high for these coins from the Carolingian times.
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