I believe this to be a 5 cent Planchet Errors/Annealing Errors: Improper Annealing:

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Alexander Sanchez, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    Planchet Errors
    Annealing Errors
    Improper Annealing?1964 D

    ((Improperly anniealed 5 cent nickle is this this the error everyone sees?)) IMG_20191112_214432-1.jpg IMG_20191112_214403-1.jpg
     
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  3. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

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  4. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    After following link i noticed the 1992 showing same issues this picture here Screenshot_2019-11-12-22-28-05.png
    I have a 1992 P that looks odd here are a a few pictures of my coin. IMG_20191112_223330-1.jpg IMG_20191112_223339-1.jpg IMG_20191112_215112-1.jpg
     
  5. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    IMO your coin does not look like the 1992 D you posted. (Taken from website that I gave the link for). On your 1964 You can see the CN color on the entire bust. And, as I said the rest of the coin looks like ED. Calling some experts: @Fred Weinberg; @mikediamond; @JCro57; @paddyman98: @Paddy54; @furryfrog02; et al.
     
  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Yep. Enviro damage, ground find. Looks like hundreds I've dug while detecting.

    Same with the '92-P coin.
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    I also say Environmental Damage to your Nickels.

    I Metal Detect. I have found hundreds of nickels just as yours that were exposed to the elements. Dirt, soil, sand, weather and chemicals will affect the Copper in the Cupro-Nickel
    Here are my examples -
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    It also affects clad coins -
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  8. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    Thank you and everyone else for such knowledgeable help
     
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  9. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    agreed
     
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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I will jump on the bandwagon since I was summoned lol. But it has already been answered. Your coin was sitting in the ground for quite awhile. Spender.
     
  11. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    Thanks
     
  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    +10

    It will take some time and research to understand the differences. On the surface (pun intended) they look "similar". But (for simplicity) one is corrosion and has the indications of corrosion (which varies with exposure, compounds exposed to, aging, etc), whereas the other is the state of the metal during the minting process.
     
  13. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    I think this is environmental discoloration. Characteristics of an improperly annealed planchet include at least some remaining mint luster, and, in most cases, coin edges of a lighter, almost new coloration from where they scraped the collar upon ejection. Improper annealing leaves and oxide film on the coin, usually from an overheated furnace or from a film of oil which was on the planchet at the time of annealing. This coin shows neither of those characteristics.
     
  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Most of the black beauty nickels are 1958 and 1959 but there are other dates.
    Yours is rusted/ environmental damage.
    If the rim is the same color as the coin, it's not an annealing error. (I believe this is because after the planchets have been annealed and cooled, they go through a machine to upset the rim, before being minted. This makes the rim the brighter nickel color while the obv and rev are still darker from being improperly annealed. Please correct me if this is wrong.)
    There are a couple of threads here with excellent photos of true black beauties.
    I suggest you use the search box, bring up those threads, and read about it,
    and compare those photos to your coin.
     
  15. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    Here are a few other pictures of dark nickles i found today. received_410162733272037.jpeg received_2470812439698832.jpeg received_2178052855824884.jpeg

    This a total curve ball why are the top coins of these images bellow allot smother finish and way shynier? Coins are same year but same mint but way diferent? received_660658751125758.jpeg received_2801863363181928.jpeg received_2687356847987839.jpeg
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    This one is trippy looking:

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  17. Alexander Sanchez

    Alexander Sanchez Active Member

    agree looks all weird but its a 2006 D nickle.
     
  18. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    The top nickels in your photos are just less worn so they are in better condition. Some coins circulate heavily, others may sit in a coin jar for years, every one has a different history.
     
  19. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    I just wanted to share some some NGC attributed examples from my collection...
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  20. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    And here is a Environmental Damage clad layers I found metal detecting..
    KenObv.jpg KenRev.jpg
     
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