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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2759222, member: 24314&quot;]<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Yes, I&#039;m joking; but in the time since my last post, I just re-read much of his book containing the columns he has written in the past.&nbsp; You, Jim and Mr. White are 100% correct.&nbsp; <b>Toning is environmental damage</b>; however, to paraphrase words of a Numismatic News columnist: &quot;I&#039;ll take all the attractive,&nbsp; rainbow, &quot;environmentally damaged&quot; coins I can get!&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96, posted: &quot;I have admitted several times in this very thread that I believe the OP&#039;s coin was overgraded by NGC&#039;s standards, so yes, they make mistakes.&nbsp; Nobody is claiming that they don&#039;t make mistakes or that their accuracy is anywhere near 100%.&nbsp; In my time on all the coin forums, the consensus is that they are right about 80-90% of the time.&nbsp; None of this means that they don&#039;t have established grading standards and to believe otherwise is foolish.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000">C</span><span style="color: #b35900">o</span><span style="color: #b30059">l</span><span style="color: #006633">o</span></b><span style="color: #0000b3"><b>r</b> </span>me <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> foolish.&nbsp; AFAIK, there are no written standards at any TPGS that are on the grader&#039;s desks.&nbsp; Any grader can check out the Internet images on the PCGS site and I know for a fact that at one time there were published guides around.&nbsp; One top TPGS instructor told the class that he had four or five grading books at close hand at his desk.&nbsp; <i>Grading Coins by Photographs </i>and the latest edition of the <i>ANA Grading Guide </i>were his favorites.&nbsp; He also said that the TPGS he worked at did not follow the standards in the guides and he used them only to confirm/refresh/&quot;ballpark&quot;/ decide &quot;liners&quot;...I really cannot translate what he conveyed. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Additionally, he did not use his own &quot;personal&quot; opinions as over time, the basic &quot;company line&quot; became familiar and the finalizers and QC graders made sure it was followed as best they could.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lehigh96 writes: &quot;Pretend you work for NGC, you don&#039;t get to use your standards.&nbsp; As their employee, you must follow their standards.&nbsp; T</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WQ%201951-D%20NGC%20MS67%20Cointalk_zpsqpo2qupe.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin has light bright rainbow pastel hues on both sides of the coin backed by what is certain to be great luster.&nbsp; Despite the presence of some brown toning scattered throughout, the visual appearance is strong and coveted by NGC&#039;s standards.&nbsp; If you worked there, you wouldn&#039;t be permitted to say the coin was ugly and had terrible eye appeal, because in doing so, you would not be following the standards set forth by NGC.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin is very attractive. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> However, a two grade bump is, well, I&#039;ve already given my opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve been told by many folks that I have a good eye for detail.&nbsp; I attempt to see everything there is to see on a coin before giving it a grade.&nbsp; I confess to training myself to see every defect first as they are what can ruin a coin&#039;s grade the quickest. Example: corrosion spots, rim repairs, altered surfaces, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>When I looked at the coin, the first thing I saw was a corrosion spot.&nbsp; The next thing I saw was a discoloration on the high spots where the oirginal mint luster was displaced.&nbsp; Anyone can see the spot is black, there is a discolored reaction rim around it, and chances are 98% that the surface under it will be etched gray if the spot is removed - even by a professional conservator.</p><p><br /></p><p>To play the game, If I was a TPG I would grade the coin MS-65.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Shield nickel is very weakly struck but it is &quot;Uncirculated Enough.&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; The luster is subdued so I should only be an MS-61 and would recommend immediate conservation.&nbsp; Who here noticed the <b><span style="color: #00b359">GREEN CORROSION PRODUCTS</span></b> starting to develop on its surface? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As for the 42-D quarter, it appears there are continuous diagonal hairlines across its obverse surface along with rub on the high points; but no significant marks. Commercial Grade = MS-64.</p><p><br /></p><p>And who can argue with this member&#039;s statement: &quot;If something is not 100% consistent, then it is inconsistent.&quot;&nbsp; That is a built in problem with commercial, TPGS.&nbsp; One time AU-58, next time MS-65.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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