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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 2759115, member: 15309"]I have admitted several times in this very thread that I believe the OP's coin was overgraded by NGC's standards, so yes, they make mistakes. Nobody is claiming that they don't make mistakes or that their accuracy is anywhere near 100%. In my time on all the coin forums, the consensus is that they are right about 80-90% of the time. None of this means that they don't have established grading standards and to believe otherwise is foolish.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The TPG's clearly state that they use a market grading system which encompasses surface preservation, strike, luster, and eye appeal. The don't divulge the details of each component, but when a coin like the 1951-D Washington in this thread has what almost everybody agrees is MS65 surfaces, how can you even doubt that they think the other elements of grading are so good that the resultant grade was MS67+?</p><p><br /></p><p>As for your personal collecting habits, nobody is saying you can't have them or that you are wrong for having them. All I am saying is that you can't use your grading standards to say that NGC's assigned grade is wrong, because they are using different standards than you are.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Pretend you work for NGC, you don't get to use your standards. As their employee, you must follow their standards. I have tried to explain to you and everyone else in this thread that the reason why the toning on the OP's coin is considered attractive is because it is rare. I showed you an MS66 Washington with toning that is typical for the series. Here it is again.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WQ1951NGCMS66.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse is blanketed by a gunmetal blue patina whilst the reverse displays more of a greyish green hue. But look closely, the peripheries have the same mottled brown toning on the rims as the coin in the OP. Additionally, both sides are so deeply toned that the luster is muted. So while the surfaces of this coin are undoubtedly better than that of the OP, the visual impact of the coin is far less. NGC recognized this and rewarded the OP coin with a higher grade.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WQ%201951-D%20NGC%20MS67%20Cointalk_zpsqpo2qupe.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin has light bright rainbow pastel hues on both sides of the coin backed by what is certain to be great luster. Despite the presence of some brown toning scattered throughout, the visual appearance is strong and coveted by NGC's standards. If you worked there, you wouldn't be permitted to say the coin was ugly and had terrible eye appeal, because in doing so, you would not be following the standards set forth by NGC. </p><p>As for your last statement, if you have seen low MS Washington Quarters that look better than the coin in the OP, then show us.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 2759115, member: 15309"]I have admitted several times in this very thread that I believe the OP's coin was overgraded by NGC's standards, so yes, they make mistakes. Nobody is claiming that they don't make mistakes or that their accuracy is anywhere near 100%. In my time on all the coin forums, the consensus is that they are right about 80-90% of the time. None of this means that they don't have established grading standards and to believe otherwise is foolish. The TPG's clearly state that they use a market grading system which encompasses surface preservation, strike, luster, and eye appeal. The don't divulge the details of each component, but when a coin like the 1951-D Washington in this thread has what almost everybody agrees is MS65 surfaces, how can you even doubt that they think the other elements of grading are so good that the resultant grade was MS67+? As for your personal collecting habits, nobody is saying you can't have them or that you are wrong for having them. All I am saying is that you can't use your grading standards to say that NGC's assigned grade is wrong, because they are using different standards than you are. Pretend you work for NGC, you don't get to use your standards. As their employee, you must follow their standards. I have tried to explain to you and everyone else in this thread that the reason why the toning on the OP's coin is considered attractive is because it is rare. I showed you an MS66 Washington with toning that is typical for the series. Here it is again. [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WQ1951NGCMS66.jpg[/IMG] The obverse is blanketed by a gunmetal blue patina whilst the reverse displays more of a greyish green hue. But look closely, the peripheries have the same mottled brown toning on the rims as the coin in the OP. Additionally, both sides are so deeply toned that the luster is muted. So while the surfaces of this coin are undoubtedly better than that of the OP, the visual impact of the coin is far less. NGC recognized this and rewarded the OP coin with a higher grade. [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WQ%201951-D%20NGC%20MS67%20Cointalk_zpsqpo2qupe.jpg[/IMG] This coin has light bright rainbow pastel hues on both sides of the coin backed by what is certain to be great luster. Despite the presence of some brown toning scattered throughout, the visual appearance is strong and coveted by NGC's standards. If you worked there, you wouldn't be permitted to say the coin was ugly and had terrible eye appeal, because in doing so, you would not be following the standards set forth by NGC. As for your last statement, if you have seen low MS Washington Quarters that look better than the coin in the OP, then show us.[/QUOTE]
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