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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2757848, member: 24314"]<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">jeffB, posted an image of a Spanish dust brush?</span></p><p><br /></p><p>Oh goody, do you <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> have more nothings to post? Anyway, I prefer to dip my coins rather than brush, tool, or scrub the centuries of grime and corrosion from them. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">TypeCoin971793, posted: "Reputable European dealers. Plus both are die matches to known authentic coins."</span></p><p><br /></p><p>Good to know, thanks. I guess counterfeits copied from known genuine coins cannot be a die match. </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"My point was that collectors of ancients don't need fancy high-grade coins to be satisfied. Even US collectors don't need them."</span></p><p><br /></p><p>Somehow this thread got way off subject. We all collect what we like and can afford. The ancient guys don't fuss at each other over grades because:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Ancient coin grading is not intended to be precise.</p><p>2. <b>Most ancients qualify as <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">PROBLEM COINS</span></b>! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> You posted three coins with problems that make my point.</p><p>3. Grade does not have as much effect on the value of most ancients and the price spreads are normally not huge (common example: $600 one grade and $1,700 in the next).</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"An Alexander tetradrachm shows up far less frequently, plus it has the historical appeal of being minted under Alexander the Great during his conquests of the Middle East. Fery few US coins have a historical intrigue as interesting as these ancients, and those that do cost much more than $150 to get an "attractive" specimen."</span></p><p><br /></p><p>While I agree these coins are historic and neat, they are the "Lincoln cents" of the ancient world - common as dirt - cleaned and corroded to boot. </p><p><br /></p><p>"<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Just a thought: 2300 years from now, how will all of the US coins look?"</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Here is what I think about that thought: <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I don't give a corroded ancient what happens more than ten years from now as I'll be <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie40" alt=":dead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> DEAD! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">And I'm going to bury my coins & gems somewhere so that they will become a "treasure trove." </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Pickin and Grinin, posted: "This confirms my theory that people are substituting their own standards for grading this coin rather than applying NGC's standards. What you are doing is technical grading, NGC employs market grading; luster, strike, & eye appeal all count."</span></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Yikes young fella <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>, I was taught that NGC (any every other knowledgeable numismatist <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />) also considers the <b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">number, severity, and location of</span></b> non-mint-made <b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">marks</span></b>! </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">TypeCoin971793, posted: "Ancient coins don't need to be slabbed to be appreciated, while US coins almost have to be slabbed."</span></p><p><br /></p><p>That is pure NUTS! I'll bet less than 5% of the total number of U.S coins are slabbed. I also know all collectors appreciate their coins, and wish they could have more and higher grades - slabbed or not!</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"Very few people would pay MS-65 (and especially MS-66) money for a raw Morgan, and absolutely no one will pay MS-67+ money for a raw silver quarter. But suddenly with the plastic it is worth so much more. Not the case with ancients." </span></p><p><br /></p><p>I Disagree. IMO, very few collectors/dealers are even qualified to buy anything without a crutch of a grading label. It would be stupid not to have the "extra" protection of a TPGS slab! Those numismatists <b>who are qualified</b> pay both small and VERY LARGE amounts of money for raw coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"Most collectors of ancients don't need a slab to tell them what they are looking at."</span></p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry to split hairs; I have not found that statement to be true. What is true is that MANY collectors of ancients know what they are looking at.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"Plus ancients are held to a different standard than modern coins regarding problems because they are <i>ancient</i>. NGC does not assign details grades to ancient coins. Ancients were made and lost centuries before proper storing techniques were established."</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">That is a point I've made. Virtually all ancients are problem coins. Therefore, why point out that a corroded, cleaned, tooled lump of metal is old and ancient. That's the way they come! </span></span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Note: All coins except those several decades old were made, spent, collected and lost "before proper storage techniques became widespread." <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">"Imagine how many slab-worthy pre-1870 US coins there would be if 95% of them were buried for 2000 years. Not many."</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie45" alt=":eggface:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <b>You got me there! <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">Knockout</span>!</b> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie40" alt=":dead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2757848, member: 24314"][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]jeffB, posted an image of a Spanish dust brush?[/COLOR] Oh goody, do you :bucktooth: have more nothings to post? Anyway, I prefer to dip my coins rather than brush, tool, or scrub the centuries of grime and corrosion from them. :p [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]TypeCoin971793, posted: "Reputable European dealers. Plus both are die matches to known authentic coins."[/COLOR] Good to know, thanks. I guess counterfeits copied from known genuine coins cannot be a die match. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"My point was that collectors of ancients don't need fancy high-grade coins to be satisfied. Even US collectors don't need them."[/COLOR] Somehow this thread got way off subject. We all collect what we like and can afford. The ancient guys don't fuss at each other over grades because: 1. Ancient coin grading is not intended to be precise. 2. [B]Most ancients qualify as [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]PROBLEM COINS[/COLOR][/B]! :( You posted three coins with problems that make my point. 3. Grade does not have as much effect on the value of most ancients and the price spreads are normally not huge (common example: $600 one grade and $1,700 in the next). [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"An Alexander tetradrachm shows up far less frequently, plus it has the historical appeal of being minted under Alexander the Great during his conquests of the Middle East. Fery few US coins have a historical intrigue as interesting as these ancients, and those that do cost much more than $150 to get an "attractive" specimen."[/COLOR] While I agree these coins are historic and neat, they are the "Lincoln cents" of the ancient world - common as dirt - cleaned and corroded to boot. "[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]Just a thought: 2300 years from now, how will all of the US coins look?" :rolleyes: [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Here is what I think about that thought: :wacky: I don't give a corroded ancient what happens more than ten years from now as I'll be :dead: DEAD! :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: And I'm going to bury my coins & gems somewhere so that they will become a "treasure trove." [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]Pickin and Grinin, posted: "This confirms my theory that people are substituting their own standards for grading this coin rather than applying NGC's standards. What you are doing is technical grading, NGC employs market grading; luster, strike, & eye appeal all count."[/COLOR] :facepalm: [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Yikes young fella :jawdrop:[/COLOR], I was taught that NGC (any every other knowledgeable numismatist :bookworm::cigar:) also considers the [B][COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]number, severity, and location of[/COLOR][/B] non-mint-made [B][COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]marks[/COLOR][/B]! [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]TypeCoin971793, posted: "Ancient coins don't need to be slabbed to be appreciated, while US coins almost have to be slabbed."[/COLOR] That is pure NUTS! I'll bet less than 5% of the total number of U.S coins are slabbed. I also know all collectors appreciate their coins, and wish they could have more and higher grades - slabbed or not! [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"Very few people would pay MS-65 (and especially MS-66) money for a raw Morgan, and absolutely no one will pay MS-67+ money for a raw silver quarter. But suddenly with the plastic it is worth so much more. Not the case with ancients." [/COLOR] I Disagree. IMO, very few collectors/dealers are even qualified to buy anything without a crutch of a grading label. It would be stupid not to have the "extra" protection of a TPGS slab! Those numismatists [B]who are qualified[/B] pay both small and VERY LARGE amounts of money for raw coins. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"Most collectors of ancients don't need a slab to tell them what they are looking at."[/COLOR] Sorry to split hairs; I have not found that statement to be true. What is true is that MANY collectors of ancients know what they are looking at. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"Plus ancients are held to a different standard than modern coins regarding problems because they are [I]ancient[/I]. NGC does not assign details grades to ancient coins. Ancients were made and lost centuries before proper storing techniques were established." [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]That is a point I've made. Virtually all ancients are problem coins. Therefore, why point out that a corroded, cleaned, tooled lump of metal is old and ancient. That's the way they come! [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Note: All coins except those several decades old were made, spent, collected and lost "before proper storage techniques became widespread." ;)[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]"Imagine how many slab-worthy pre-1870 US coins there would be if 95% of them were buried for 2000 years. Not many." :eggface::facepalm::bigtears: [B]You got me there! [COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]Knockout[/COLOR]![/B] :dead: [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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