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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2756976, member: 24314&quot;]First of all, this is a great thread - not boring and quite educational, and everyone is playing nice. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Lehigh96, posted: &quot;Now, if you please, provide me with your grades</span> <b><i><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">sir</span></i></b>.&quot;&nbsp; Hopefully, there will be no more of this, <b>sir</b>.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">jtlee321, posted: &quot;I just get upset at what can only be described as <b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">politics</span></b> going on at the TPG&#039;s.&nbsp; And each and every time I come across a blatant example such as this, I will out it, as I hope anyone else would.&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p>This is taking a big jump into the unknown.&nbsp; Many do not know how this coin could possibly be graded the way it was.&nbsp; Others think it is correctly graded.&nbsp; I guess that should remove &quot;politics&quot; from the equation.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">TypeCoin971793, posted: &quot;There isn&#039;t any of this drama over in the ancients forum. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">No nitpicky grades, no competing in registry sets, no being anal about actually handling your coins... and a blatant (friendly) loathing of slabs. Everyone loves their coins for the stories they tell and the history they witnessed. A very different attitude from collectors bashing each other for the sake of 1-2 points on a grade, or the presence of a DDO, or a berry in a different place than on other coins. I get a feeling that very few people appreciate the history these coins represent as they have become just a commodity</span>. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>That is true.&nbsp; Ancient collectors tend to be more mature <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> collectors.&nbsp; By that I mean as many collectors learn more about their coins and numismatic history, many of them gravitate to collecting ancients.&nbsp; There is still a lot to be discovered.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, most coins posted on the ancient forum are corroded lumps <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> of tooled-up <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and cleaned <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie23" alt=":bigtears:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> ugly metal. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Unless you collect common, high grade Roman denarii, you&#039;ll need to sell a used car in order to get virtually any artistic, high-grade, attractive, large piece of Greek silver.&nbsp; That&#039;s why I gravitated to small Greek bronze.&nbsp; So with ancients, except for authenticity, there is not much to fight about.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Additionally, I find it extremely ridiculous to read all the bashing of ancient slabs.&nbsp; Quite similar to a bunch of U.S. collectors <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie79" alt=":rage:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> quibbling over grades.&nbsp; One day, as more and more ancients get entombed, you&#039;ll start to see the nits picking at the surface condition, style, and grade assigned to ancients.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Lehigh96, asked: &quot;I want everyone to grade this coin using their own standards, not NGC&#039;s.&nbsp; The condition is that I want you to grade each element of grading separately.&nbsp; I will start.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Surface Preservation:&nbsp; MS65</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Luster:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; MS67</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Strike:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; MS68</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Eye Appeal:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MS67&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p>My opinion:</p><p><br /></p><p>Surface Preservation: MS-63&nbsp; Detracting marks in PFA.&nbsp; <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">If you don&#039;t see them</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />: MS-67</p><p>Luster: MS-66 or MS-67&nbsp; Above average and fully original. NOT MS-68 as it is not attractive.</p><p>Strike: Normal, nothing special. MS-anything. I&#039;ll go with the middle MS-65 as not weak and not particularly strong either.</p><p>Eye Appeal: MS-65 to MS-66&nbsp; Pleasing to above average BUT ONLY DUE to color of splotchy toning.</p><p><br /></p><p>Final grade if I were a TPG: MS-65 Star or +</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">SuperDave, posted: </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Luster: Not present, in these images. I&#039;m aware Washingtons don&#039;t manifest luster the same as other coins, but I see no cartwheel at all. Quite prepared to change my mind with images more suited to depicting luster than the typical Heritage overexposure. No opinion, but leaning &quot;favorable.&quot;</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">That coin is a headlight with full blazing and colorful luster.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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