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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2833335, member: 46237"]My suggestion would be to acquire some Hungarian catalogs that include restrikes, such as ifj. Adamovszky István: Magyar Érmekatalógus 1848-2012.</p><p><br /></p><p>There aren't any known fakes of the klippes. Modern fakes are all obvious to spot if you know the coins too. Modern restrikes are almost all clearly marked with a restrike mark. The Szt. Istvan looks original too.</p><p><br /></p><p>The process for identifying them is like this:</p><ul> <li>Does this type/date have a known restrike? If not, it's genuine.</li> <li>If yes, do restrikes of this type/date have a restrike mark? If yes, check for the mark.</li> <li>If no, or if there are multiple restrike types, some with and some without markings, then you have to look for evidence of the coin being an original strike or a restrike. This is the only part that can be challenging.</li> </ul><p>This can be, as I explained earlier, looking for something like a die state, or die marker that would never be found on a restrike, or something unique about the finish or toning that suggests one or the other. For example, some of the earlier coins that were restruck used one particular die pair for the restrikes, but originals used additional dies. If the coin was struck from one of the <i>other</i> dies, then obviously it cannot be a restrike. You won't find a better way of learning this than to just immerse yourself in studying the originals and restrikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>The TPGs get it wrong not infrequently by the way. I've seen close to 10 obvious restrikes (with restrike marks!) slabbed as originals, and many that are obvious modern unmarked proof restrikes, slabbed as originals. I've even seen obvious originals that were slabbed as restrikes, despite restrikes for the type always having restrike marks, and the coin in the slab not having them. My point is, identifying these restrikes is a specialization, and the TPGs do not currently employ people who can do it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2833335, member: 46237"]My suggestion would be to acquire some Hungarian catalogs that include restrikes, such as ifj. Adamovszky István: Magyar Érmekatalógus 1848-2012. There aren't any known fakes of the klippes. Modern fakes are all obvious to spot if you know the coins too. Modern restrikes are almost all clearly marked with a restrike mark. The Szt. Istvan looks original too. The process for identifying them is like this: [LIST] [*]Does this type/date have a known restrike? If not, it's genuine. [*]If yes, do restrikes of this type/date have a restrike mark? If yes, check for the mark. [*]If no, or if there are multiple restrike types, some with and some without markings, then you have to look for evidence of the coin being an original strike or a restrike. This is the only part that can be challenging. [/LIST] This can be, as I explained earlier, looking for something like a die state, or die marker that would never be found on a restrike, or something unique about the finish or toning that suggests one or the other. For example, some of the earlier coins that were restruck used one particular die pair for the restrikes, but originals used additional dies. If the coin was struck from one of the [I]other[/I] dies, then obviously it cannot be a restrike. You won't find a better way of learning this than to just immerse yourself in studying the originals and restrikes. The TPGs get it wrong not infrequently by the way. I've seen close to 10 obvious restrikes (with restrike marks!) slabbed as originals, and many that are obvious modern unmarked proof restrikes, slabbed as originals. I've even seen obvious originals that were slabbed as restrikes, despite restrikes for the type always having restrike marks, and the coin in the slab not having them. My point is, identifying these restrikes is a specialization, and the TPGs do not currently employ people who can do it.[/QUOTE]
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