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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2827362, member: 46237"]So you're collecting the classic/modern Hungarian taler equivalents? That's a popular set, though there are more coins in the set than you've listed, especially if you include restrikes.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the 5K 1900-1909, there are two types of restrikes dated 1900 (one unmarked and one with rosette on the obverse), one type dated 1907 (with UP on the reverse), and one type dated 1909 (with UP on the reverse). There's also a modern "restrike" of the 1909 with a UP, but it's a fake and is underweight.</p><p><br /></p><p>The 1907 coronation 5K had two types of restrikes, both unmarked and with a UP on the obverse.</p><p><br /></p><p>The 1938 5 Pengo had one unmarked restrike, but with a relatively large number struck. There were also unmarked and UP restrikes made of one of the patterns of this coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's really only the unmarked restrikes that can be challenging to identify. Many of the restrikes have marks (like a rosette or UP for these larger coins). Other denomination restrikes sometimes used an alternate date for which originals were not struck, differences in the edge detail, or are otherwise obvious to distinguish in some other way.</p><p><br /></p><p>For unmarked Artex restrikes of larger coins, sometimes you can tell a restrike by the rim, but usually you have to go by the surfaces. You're basically looking for a finish that isn't seen on originals. This is hard to describe unless you're very familiar with these. For some coins like the Szent Istvan where you see a larger variety of surface types on originals and a large number of survivors in high grades, you have to look for other clues. I look for bag marks, die lines, die cracks, clash marks, and toning, which can sometimes give a clue as to originality. For example, later strikes of the 1907 coronation 5K had a clashed obverse. You'll never see a clashed obverse on a restrike. Things like that. Again, it comes from looking at tons of these over time and getting a feel for them.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some links to coins in my personal collection of these denominations if you want to see examples:</p><p><br /></p><p>Originals (5 Korona):</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/CXABkk6YuN1mRM3xm8z0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/CXABkk6YuN1mRM3xm8z0" rel="nofollow">1907KB 5 Korona (Coronation) MS64</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/0nD62s8hIrXcMFlwifv2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/0nD62s8hIrXcMFlwifv2" rel="nofollow">1908KB 5 Korona MS63</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/tVygZX36hiHawh0oBCF1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/tVygZX36hiHawh0oBCF1" rel="nofollow">1922 5 Korona Pattern KE5 Copper Nickel MS65</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Originals (5 Pengo)</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rVlsIoMXSFrfWJ0FekB3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rVlsIoMXSFrfWJ0FekB3" rel="nofollow">1930BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS65</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/WD0EKd4BRbsCN7DxvOlW/5cUY42xPfS45fK95U6N7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/WD0EKd4BRbsCN7DxvOlW/5cUY42xPfS45fK95U6N7" rel="nofollow">1938BP 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) MS67</a> (semi-prooflike)</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rMvJQbv4TbQ88HoDFTwP" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rMvJQbv4TbQ88HoDFTwP" rel="nofollow">1938BP 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) MS66</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/OSG1FAFyEz9KrP2mv7tc" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/OSG1FAFyEz9KrP2mv7tc" rel="nofollow">1939BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS63</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/zhbsaVJbkmDMGBe7urCi" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/zhbsaVJbkmDMGBe7urCi" rel="nofollow">1943BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS64</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/1rgIvo0wn7q87PigmXz7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/1rgIvo0wn7q87PigmXz7" rel="nofollow">1945BP 5 Pengo MS63</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Artex Restrikes (Taler):</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R89ZVAqErYAcwNqbeuXX" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R89ZVAqErYAcwNqbeuXX" rel="nofollow">1896KB UP Restrike Taler (Millennium) PF66</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/U56JTKrzHRMXYrpxqLa0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/U56JTKrzHRMXYrpxqLa0" rel="nofollow">1896KB UP Restrike Taler Klippe (Millennium) PF67 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TDaQ4fK5dusAiRTOpPg2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TDaQ4fK5dusAiRTOpPg2" rel="nofollow">1896KB UP Restrike 1.25 Taler (Millennium) PF66 Cameo</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Artex Restrikes (5 Korona):</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/vEBQBvWI6u0FWcHM9GNI" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/vEBQBvWI6u0FWcHM9GNI" rel="nofollow">1896KB UP Restrike 5 Korona (Millennium Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/IfJjUfTtM5s9QymA2cbA" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/IfJjUfTtM5s9QymA2cbA" rel="nofollow">1907KB Unmarked Restrike 5 Korona (Coronation) PF67</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/Wgi5LdLQhMf8VwloVq6h" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/Wgi5LdLQhMf8VwloVq6h" rel="nofollow">1907KB UP Restrike 5 Korona (Coronation) PF65</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/gJpA2woKM1MPY0pFGKn7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/gJpA2woKM1MPY0pFGKn7" rel="nofollow">1909KB UP Restrike 5 Korona PF66</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Artex Restrikes (5 Pengo):</p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TFFxbpbxIRHQGl3FOWhW" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TFFxbpbxIRHQGl3FOWhW" rel="nofollow">1929BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Laszlo Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/HOe3QKOhvUsRmGSX8je6" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/HOe3QKOhvUsRmGSX8je6" rel="nofollow">1929BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo Klippe (Szent Laszlo Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/jr3Wgij7jHQL1NGNwpT6" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/jr3Wgij7jHQL1NGNwpT6" rel="nofollow">1930BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) PF65</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/X3TNimmzUYfJR1WYrIQU" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/X3TNimmzUYfJR1WYrIQU" rel="nofollow">1938BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) PF66 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/kf8N3nkxmbTAcjlHM9eP" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/kf8N3nkxmbTAcjlHM9eP" rel="nofollow">1938BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan Pattern) PF67 Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/OQ1hOKyzSf55UxVJHXF0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/OQ1hOKyzSf55UxVJHXF0" rel="nofollow">1938BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo Klippe (Szent Istvan Pattern) PF66 Ultra Cameo</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/EXNAXvnNuQy7quEJ9gdV" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/EXNAXvnNuQy7quEJ9gdV" rel="nofollow">1943BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) PF64</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/cHgQVpUs1essG078Vydt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/cHgQVpUs1essG078Vydt" rel="nofollow">1945BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Pattern) MS66</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R9gJ10fRoTLS2wvoNfuI" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R9gJ10fRoTLS2wvoNfuI" rel="nofollow">1945BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo MS64</a></p><p><br /></p><p>There's also a silver 1948 20 Forint that's sometimes considered part of the taler set (and a proof restrike version of the same coin):</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/bB7ey0oVJbmhTSJdG8nX" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/bB7ey0oVJbmhTSJdG8nX" rel="nofollow">1948BP 20 Forint (Tancsics Mihaly) MS63</a></p><p><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/RDPm0g0nyWv8uAzzTqW3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/RDPm0g0nyWv8uAzzTqW3" rel="nofollow">1948BP Unmarked Restrike 20 Forint (Tancsics Mihaly) PF66 Ultra Cameo</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2827362, member: 46237"]So you're collecting the classic/modern Hungarian taler equivalents? That's a popular set, though there are more coins in the set than you've listed, especially if you include restrikes. As for the 5K 1900-1909, there are two types of restrikes dated 1900 (one unmarked and one with rosette on the obverse), one type dated 1907 (with UP on the reverse), and one type dated 1909 (with UP on the reverse). There's also a modern "restrike" of the 1909 with a UP, but it's a fake and is underweight. The 1907 coronation 5K had two types of restrikes, both unmarked and with a UP on the obverse. The 1938 5 Pengo had one unmarked restrike, but with a relatively large number struck. There were also unmarked and UP restrikes made of one of the patterns of this coin. It's really only the unmarked restrikes that can be challenging to identify. Many of the restrikes have marks (like a rosette or UP for these larger coins). Other denomination restrikes sometimes used an alternate date for which originals were not struck, differences in the edge detail, or are otherwise obvious to distinguish in some other way. For unmarked Artex restrikes of larger coins, sometimes you can tell a restrike by the rim, but usually you have to go by the surfaces. You're basically looking for a finish that isn't seen on originals. This is hard to describe unless you're very familiar with these. For some coins like the Szent Istvan where you see a larger variety of surface types on originals and a large number of survivors in high grades, you have to look for other clues. I look for bag marks, die lines, die cracks, clash marks, and toning, which can sometimes give a clue as to originality. For example, later strikes of the 1907 coronation 5K had a clashed obverse. You'll never see a clashed obverse on a restrike. Things like that. Again, it comes from looking at tons of these over time and getting a feel for them. Here are some links to coins in my personal collection of these denominations if you want to see examples: Originals (5 Korona): [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/CXABkk6YuN1mRM3xm8z0']1907KB 5 Korona (Coronation) MS64[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/0nD62s8hIrXcMFlwifv2']1908KB 5 Korona MS63[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/tVygZX36hiHawh0oBCF1']1922 5 Korona Pattern KE5 Copper Nickel MS65[/URL] Originals (5 Pengo) [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rVlsIoMXSFrfWJ0FekB3']1930BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS65[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/WD0EKd4BRbsCN7DxvOlW/5cUY42xPfS45fK95U6N7']1938BP 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) MS67[/URL] (semi-prooflike) [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/rMvJQbv4TbQ88HoDFTwP']1938BP 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) MS66[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/OSG1FAFyEz9KrP2mv7tc']1939BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS63[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/zhbsaVJbkmDMGBe7urCi']1943BP 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) MS64[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/1rgIvo0wn7q87PigmXz7']1945BP 5 Pengo MS63[/URL] Artex Restrikes (Taler): [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R89ZVAqErYAcwNqbeuXX']1896KB UP Restrike Taler (Millennium) PF66[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/U56JTKrzHRMXYrpxqLa0']1896KB UP Restrike Taler Klippe (Millennium) PF67 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TDaQ4fK5dusAiRTOpPg2']1896KB UP Restrike 1.25 Taler (Millennium) PF66 Cameo[/URL] Artex Restrikes (5 Korona): [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/vEBQBvWI6u0FWcHM9GNI']1896KB UP Restrike 5 Korona (Millennium Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/IfJjUfTtM5s9QymA2cbA']1907KB Unmarked Restrike 5 Korona (Coronation) PF67[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/Wgi5LdLQhMf8VwloVq6h']1907KB UP Restrike 5 Korona (Coronation) PF65[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/gJpA2woKM1MPY0pFGKn7']1909KB UP Restrike 5 Korona PF66[/URL] Artex Restrikes (5 Pengo): [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/TFFxbpbxIRHQGl3FOWhW']1929BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Laszlo Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/HOe3QKOhvUsRmGSX8je6']1929BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo Klippe (Szent Laszlo Pattern) PF67 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/jr3Wgij7jHQL1NGNwpT6']1930BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) PF65[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/X3TNimmzUYfJR1WYrIQU']1938BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan) PF66 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/kf8N3nkxmbTAcjlHM9eP']1938BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo (Szent Istvan Pattern) PF67 Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/OQ1hOKyzSf55UxVJHXF0']1938BP UP Restrike 5 Pengo Klippe (Szent Istvan Pattern) PF66 Ultra Cameo[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/EXNAXvnNuQy7quEJ9gdV']1943BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Horthy Miklos) PF64[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/cHgQVpUs1essG078Vydt']1945BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo (Pattern) MS66[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/R9gJ10fRoTLS2wvoNfuI']1945BP Unmarked Restrike 5 Pengo MS64[/URL] There's also a silver 1948 20 Forint that's sometimes considered part of the taler set (and a proof restrike version of the same coin): [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/cfwmt8rsNwKH4zDjR7nC/bB7ey0oVJbmhTSJdG8nX']1948BP 20 Forint (Tancsics Mihaly) MS63[/URL] [URL='https://collectivecoin.com/Jaelus/Cdan3mX0RvVMVVGuVIDS/RDPm0g0nyWv8uAzzTqW3']1948BP Unmarked Restrike 20 Forint (Tancsics Mihaly) PF66 Ultra Cameo[/URL][/QUOTE]
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