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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Cucumbor, post: 2038282, member: 4298&quot;]@ torontokuba</p><p><br /></p><p>Wow !</p><p>Did I put the finger on something itchy ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They have been collecting coins, not plastic slabs, I guess <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>More seriously, no offense was meant sir.</p><p><br /></p><p>I really think the collecting philosophy is very different. Wrong or right, most people here want their coins for style, engraving skills, patina, etc...</p><p><br /></p><p>Just to feed the debate, here are (in disorder) some reflections that come to my mind about that</p><p><br /></p><p>To us, the competition about sets of american coins and their average state seems really weird and strange.</p><p><br /></p><p>The state of preservation is of some importance, of course, but most don&#039;t care (you were right in there, much more than on the &quot;don&#039;t know&quot;) about a coin being 62 or 63 or 64, which seems pointless to many. As I&#039;m collecting ancients, and have been for 30 years, it&#039;s not a concern I have</p><p><br /></p><p>To each his/her own will you say, and you&#039;ll be right. Good for the new world if they&#039;re happy with their slabbed PF-66 (I&#039;m a bit afraid some people are going to make a lot of profit buying at lower grade and selling at higher, and not sure it will be the real collector).</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the ruined examples you show, who cares ? If people are stupid enough to harshly clean their coins, and stupid enough to then get them slabbed, good for TPG business</p><p><br /></p><p>To go back to ancients, when I come across a roman silver denarius which is as cleaned as my shoes, and ask the seller why, the answer is most always : &quot;that&#039;s for the american market, they do like cleaned ancient, they are afraid of dirt&quot;. IMHO, it&#039;s much more a crime than cleaning a Morgan doller, available by millions</p><p><br /></p><p>Best regards</p><p>Q</p><p><br /></p><p>PS : If my english sounds weird or &quot;heavy&quot;, it&#039;s not intentional on my part, english isn&#039;t my mother language[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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