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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;torontokuba, post: 2038222, member: 56793&quot;]... and, in such a short time, they managed to establish a standard by which cleaned and polished coins are frowned upon. I&#039;d say that&#039;s pretty impressive. What have the Europeans been doing in all that time? My European roots, European encounters with collectors and European coin purchases have been overwhelmed by the clean first, think second strategy. In Europe, large silver coins and other valuables get cleaned regularly with the silverware on Sundays.</p><p><br /></p><p>Is this to be the European legacy?</p><p><a href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3837036-016" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3837036-016" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=3837036-016</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Are you not aware enough of your surroundings?</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve watched an entire grading industry evolve in Europe, by grading garbage with high MS grades. There are at least 5 players in that game and only one, a more recent addition, has ever released a &quot;Details&quot; grade label. If your years of experience allow you to enter this discussion, we can compare a few of them. One of these TPGs has now closed its official operation in Europe, only to move to India, with reps in China and Thailand. They now slab fakes without fear of breaking the law, on top of the regular cleaned and polished crap they used to slab in Europe. I hope you&#039;re old enough and experienced enough to know some of these European TPGs.</p><p><br /></p><p>You know it&#039;s bad when the word &quot;Excessive&quot; makes it onto the label...</p><p><a href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2033901-007" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2033901-007" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/index.aspx?CertNumber=2033901-007</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]371734[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Ou est l&#039;inventivite europeen?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]371732[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Here they throw the word &quot;Tooled&quot; onto the label and display two sets of images under the link, to more accurately present the coin damage...</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27852176/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27852176/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/27852176/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]371733[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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