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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 2152508, member: 13650"]This could be done as a novelty and used as a way to appease the gold/silver bugs, but way too much hassle to do on a large scale. The market is extremely volatile affected by a global market. Not just what's going on here. Gold could hit $2500 next year. Then by the time they got around to adjusting the values and changing everything it could plunge to $1k. </p><p><br /></p><p> Gold and silver were hoarded going back to the Civil war. It'd be a complex thing to do now, and it's not going to happen with this country in it's current form. </p><p> - The govt doesn't want the hassle or new expense.</p><p> - They hate any way for drug dealers to launder large amounts of money. - The population has become far too large. (Back in the day when they made gold for circulation, most people who lived through those times never saw a single example in person their entire lives. Much less used them for commerce.)</p><p><br /></p><p> - Most of the population would be too confused to understand the change.</p><p> - It's cheaper to make stacks of bills and assign them a value</p><p><br /></p><p> If you make the coinage with such a small fraction of actual PM compared to face, there's no point. If you try to make them worth the PM value, the market is too volatile for them to circulate in time. Neither option works or makes sense. A one ounce silver coin worth $500 is a counterfeiter's dream. God knows we don't need them to have another way of debasing what we have. </p><p> Besides that, even in the hay day of silver dollars when they were making millions every year for use, they didn't circulate well, if at all. They sat in mint bags and eventually hundreds of millions were melted. </p><p> </p><p> I think if they had the technology, knowledge and capability to make coinage the way we do today, they probably would have started doing it 200 years ago. What has happened was inevitable and it just took time to evolve. Clad dimes, quarters and nickels serve their purpose as intended and nobody hoards them for their value. There's no shortage. Not worth the trouble of counterfeiting.</p><p><br /></p><p> This isn't to say that silver and gold aren't recognized on the side as being a more desirable store of real wealth. It just doesn't have a place in daily commerce and hasn't for longer than most realize.</p><p><br /></p><p> Frankly, I'm surprised things are still the way they are today. </p><p> If the powers that be could snap their fingers and have every penny of every transaction tracked electronically, they'd do it tomorrow. Some day there'll be a push to go there. Every govt entity is desperate for revenue and they know they're missing out on a lot out there. They're not anxious to find new ways for people to trade for goods and services under the radar. They're looking to eliminate ways to do this. </p><p> In spite of this, not all is lost. As we still have some freedoms left to do as we wish with what exists. I know of a podcast that the host will accept silver as payment for membership. Other people do too. Collectors trade bullion for coins and coins for bullion all the time. Nobody forces you to take cash or electronic payment. I'm satisfied with that. The option is still there for people to do whatever they want, but as far as making it standardized, I don't think there's a way or a valid reason to do it.</p><p><br /></p><p> The monetary system has evolved into something that is full of it's own problems that PMs can't solve. We have a system that is functional for no other reason but that it HAS to be for 300+ million people to survive. Most of my monthly bill transactions take place in cyberspace now. Nothing physical comes in or goes out. Not even a check to deposit. Just numbers changing in the computer.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 2152508, member: 13650"]This could be done as a novelty and used as a way to appease the gold/silver bugs, but way too much hassle to do on a large scale. The market is extremely volatile affected by a global market. Not just what's going on here. Gold could hit $2500 next year. Then by the time they got around to adjusting the values and changing everything it could plunge to $1k. Gold and silver were hoarded going back to the Civil war. It'd be a complex thing to do now, and it's not going to happen with this country in it's current form. - The govt doesn't want the hassle or new expense. - They hate any way for drug dealers to launder large amounts of money. - The population has become far too large. (Back in the day when they made gold for circulation, most people who lived through those times never saw a single example in person their entire lives. Much less used them for commerce.) - Most of the population would be too confused to understand the change. - It's cheaper to make stacks of bills and assign them a value If you make the coinage with such a small fraction of actual PM compared to face, there's no point. If you try to make them worth the PM value, the market is too volatile for them to circulate in time. Neither option works or makes sense. A one ounce silver coin worth $500 is a counterfeiter's dream. God knows we don't need them to have another way of debasing what we have. Besides that, even in the hay day of silver dollars when they were making millions every year for use, they didn't circulate well, if at all. They sat in mint bags and eventually hundreds of millions were melted. I think if they had the technology, knowledge and capability to make coinage the way we do today, they probably would have started doing it 200 years ago. What has happened was inevitable and it just took time to evolve. Clad dimes, quarters and nickels serve their purpose as intended and nobody hoards them for their value. There's no shortage. Not worth the trouble of counterfeiting. This isn't to say that silver and gold aren't recognized on the side as being a more desirable store of real wealth. It just doesn't have a place in daily commerce and hasn't for longer than most realize. Frankly, I'm surprised things are still the way they are today. If the powers that be could snap their fingers and have every penny of every transaction tracked electronically, they'd do it tomorrow. Some day there'll be a push to go there. Every govt entity is desperate for revenue and they know they're missing out on a lot out there. They're not anxious to find new ways for people to trade for goods and services under the radar. They're looking to eliminate ways to do this. In spite of this, not all is lost. As we still have some freedoms left to do as we wish with what exists. I know of a podcast that the host will accept silver as payment for membership. Other people do too. Collectors trade bullion for coins and coins for bullion all the time. Nobody forces you to take cash or electronic payment. I'm satisfied with that. The option is still there for people to do whatever they want, but as far as making it standardized, I don't think there's a way or a valid reason to do it. The monetary system has evolved into something that is full of it's own problems that PMs can't solve. We have a system that is functional for no other reason but that it HAS to be for 300+ million people to survive. Most of my monthly bill transactions take place in cyberspace now. Nothing physical comes in or goes out. Not even a check to deposit. Just numbers changing in the computer.[/QUOTE]
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