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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2387375, member: 112"]Didn't say you did, my response was directed to Insider. First of all throw out the total production numbers as they have nothing to do with anything. The total number of coins graded is what matters. Now I'm just going to use numbers from 10 years ago for examples here, and only from PCGS. But those braided red cents you mentioned, 10 years ago there were only 4,577 graded - 584 of those were Red. That's a whole lot bigger number than you're talking about. Indian heads - 9,159 graded MSBN, 16,548 graded MSRB, 12,596 graded MSRD. Still wanna talk about the proportion of Red copper ? OK, let's go to Lincolns, wheat reverse - 14,831 MSBN, 15,903 MSRB, 80,716 MSRD - more than twice as many Red, as Brown and Red Brown combined. And all on copper coins minted before 1959 - 57- 100 years ago. Throw in all of the memorials and you add another 63,000 plus.  And that's just from PCGS alone. And those are all numbers that are 10 years old - think they've increased ? Now throw in all of those graded by ANACS and ICG, throw in all the Lincolns also graded by all 4 companies, then throw in all of the half cents and 2 cents graded by all 4 companies. Now add in the Proofs for all of them. First thing ya know you got a whole lot of Red coins. Way more than should have been able to survive by accident, or luck, given that we are talking about our most reactive coinage metal and that all coins tone - very quickly.[/QUOTE]