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<p>[QUOTE="Colonialjohn, post: 2384603, member: 57741"]When I tell people I invented a great copper cleaner I get all sort of responses so I normally just sell my JPL Coin Care to astute collectors since coin cleaning is such an exasperating topic although I enjoy its discussions. Having said that here is a good story... When I collected NJ Coppers and as some of you know I put together one of the great collections that sold in Stacks in 2008 (Americana Sale). One of the rarities in my collection was the Maris XXX. One of a dozen known and somewhere in the middle of the CC. The coin originally purchased was ORANGE and was harshly cleaned. So what to do? Anton and myself developed a process to strip off a micro-layer of the copper and then let the coin naturally tone back. After the stripping operation the coin was placed in a sulfur envelope for around SIX YEARS whereupon with just a touch ALSO of a common hair sulfur ointment was dabbed in the inside of the flip and eventually after more than a half decade later the coin came partially back with a olive brown color (i.e., natural tone).</p><p>IMO we brought back a great rarity to its original surfaces - others may say it was just profit orientated ... so the lesson here IMO ... if a coin that has been cleaned or dipped perhaps trying to bring back its original color its not such a bad thing. Agreed surface hairlines or light scrubbing is something all together different.</p><p>Coin conversation or trying to undo the stupidity of others is OK IMO. Also some coins just unfortunately are exposed to the environment in unfortunate circumstances as was this M XXX NJ Copper.</p><p>I have used aluminum foil wrap on silver coins in an electric oven for 15 minutes at 400*F. More time - more toning - but again usually just for dipped coins so the copper can react and bring the coin back - again you can never get that CARTWHEEL EFFECT back but again for me this is coin conservation if I am stuck with a clean coin or if I feel I can bring a coin some new life.</p><p>Just an opinion ... after the sale I did notify the buyer of this coin who did not mind the intensive conservation that went into this rarity ... just for the record. </p><p><br /></p><p>John Lorenzo</p><p>Numismatist</p><p>United States[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Colonialjohn, post: 2384603, member: 57741"]When I tell people I invented a great copper cleaner I get all sort of responses so I normally just sell my JPL Coin Care to astute collectors since coin cleaning is such an exasperating topic although I enjoy its discussions. Having said that here is a good story... When I collected NJ Coppers and as some of you know I put together one of the great collections that sold in Stacks in 2008 (Americana Sale). One of the rarities in my collection was the Maris XXX. One of a dozen known and somewhere in the middle of the CC. The coin originally purchased was ORANGE and was harshly cleaned. So what to do? Anton and myself developed a process to strip off a micro-layer of the copper and then let the coin naturally tone back. After the stripping operation the coin was placed in a sulfur envelope for around SIX YEARS whereupon with just a touch ALSO of a common hair sulfur ointment was dabbed in the inside of the flip and eventually after more than a half decade later the coin came partially back with a olive brown color (i.e., natural tone). IMO we brought back a great rarity to its original surfaces - others may say it was just profit orientated ... so the lesson here IMO ... if a coin that has been cleaned or dipped perhaps trying to bring back its original color its not such a bad thing. Agreed surface hairlines or light scrubbing is something all together different. Coin conversation or trying to undo the stupidity of others is OK IMO. Also some coins just unfortunately are exposed to the environment in unfortunate circumstances as was this M XXX NJ Copper. I have used aluminum foil wrap on silver coins in an electric oven for 15 minutes at 400*F. More time - more toning - but again usually just for dipped coins so the copper can react and bring the coin back - again you can never get that CARTWHEEL EFFECT back but again for me this is coin conservation if I am stuck with a clean coin or if I feel I can bring a coin some new life. Just an opinion ... after the sale I did notify the buyer of this coin who did not mind the intensive conservation that went into this rarity ... just for the record. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States[/QUOTE]
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