How to get this gunk off

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by the_man12, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    What does the acetone actually do to the PVC? Dissolve it?
     
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  3. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Yes, it does. The dissolved pvc plasticizers and other organic material is in the used acetone solution. That is why the used solution should not be reused, and a final rinse of the coin should be done with clean pure acetone, so no dissolved material reattaches to the coin as the acetone evaporates.

    Jim
     
  4. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Thanks everyone for your help.
     
  5. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    verdigone is good but i still prefer biox for my indian coins although there are a couple that are biox resistant. i think the guy is charging too much for verdigone IMHO all coins deserve to be conserved but the price makes it a big barrier.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It did not work because that is not PVC. That is just very severe corrosion. I doubt there is anything that will help that coin.
     
  7. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    So would it work on that IHC?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I doubt it. That IHC has been cleaned several times already. About the only thing I can think of that would even come close to getting that stuff off the IHC is something like E-Z-est.

    Normally I would not recommend that anyone use this stuff - it will destroy coins if you are not careful. But that IHC is so damaged already I doubt you could anything more to harm it.
     
  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Hey, Boss, didn't see this question, didn't mean to miss ya. In my spare time from CoinTalk I actually try and get work done sometimes. :goofer:

    Anywho, I see one of our resident chem experts, Jim, answered the technical part. On that 4.6 pH, that's just an FDA recommendation for "acidified" food manufacturers (i.e., the guys who pack stuff like fresh-cut veggies in oil). Water activity in those things has to be below .83, too, whatever that means (I'm not a food manufacturer, just an eater). The addition of acid to those food products, FDA believes, is necessary, in order to choke off harmful bacteria, which, as aforementioned, breeds in that oxygen-starved environment. That's different from yeast or mold, understand, which requires, among other things, oxygen to form, and a common example of which is that blueish/white stuff associated with unprocessed cheeses, and which will usually only at worst give you a mild tummy ache if you didn't scrape it off and you eat it. They're "bringing up" the pH of the medium, the oil...not the veggies. For the veggies their thingy is keeping that water activity under .83. And there you have it. :)
     
  10. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    What makes you think it was cleaned?
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All you have to do is look at it. The coin was once completely black, large part of it has been removed. You can tell by the traces still remaining in all the recesses. And all those squiggly lines on the obv - result of a cleaning acid. The stuff on the coin now - is just what the other cleanings did not get off. Except for the green corrosion - that is new.
     
  12. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Oh that's a good point. The only thing I still am not sure about the "squiggly lines." It looks to me like it's just fingerprints, maybe the result of cleaning, but not the acid itself...
     
  13. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Would the E-Z-est remove its patina as well?
     
  14. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    From my experience, vinegar should take of the green "stuff". Don't leave it in there too long. Please note that just a few minutes over time can turn the coin a horrible color, so practice on common and "worthless" coins first, and get the idea on how to clean it with vinegar.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes, it will. Any of the commercial coin dips will not only remove patina, toning, corrosive material - they will even remove metal from the surface of the coin.

    Coin dips, even vinegar and olive oil, all contain acid. The stronger ones like E-Z-est can remove metal in just a few seconds. Vinegar and olive oil will do the same, it just takes longer. It is the acid that does the cleaning.
     
  16. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    Then I think I'll stick with acetone.
     
  17. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    I tried it and nothing happened...
     
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