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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2198845, member: 46237"]What do you consider to be the authoritative way to determine a coin's country (if it can be said that there is one)? Is it determined by where the coin was minted, the government it was minted for, the country it was intended to circulate in, or something else entirely? All of these can be grey areas. The minting location can be in a contested area or one with multiple governing bodies, the government may be in transition due to rebellion etc., and a coin may be intended to circulate in multiple countries.</p><p><br /></p><p>I've been thinking about this as of late while working on my Hungarian Franz Joseph I type set, since the authoritative <i>Hungarian</i> coin catalog considers a coin to be Hungarian if the mint was within Hungarian territory at the time of minting, but Krause (and the TPGs) use a different methodology. There was one controlling body for coinage for the Austro-Hungarian empire, so these distinctions are somewhat arbitrary to begin with.</p><p><br /></p><p>During the period between the Hungarian Revolution of 1848 and the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867, Hungary was ruled under an Austrian military dictatorship. Coins minted in Hungary for circulation in Hungary during this period (1851-1866) were <i>identical</i> to the Austrian issues except for the mint marks. Krause (and the TPGs) consider all of these coins to be Austrian, regardless of mint mark, even the 1866 transition types that bore Hungarian legends. Starting in 1867, the designs diverged between Austrian and Hungarian issues, though they were coordinated in both value and general theme. For example, the obverses of comparable denomination Austrian and Hungarian coins might be identical (save for the language) but the reverses would bear the respective coat of arms of either Austria or Hungary.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some Austrian commems minted prior to 1892 but well into the Compromise period bore Latin text with dual Austrian/Hungarian denominations. These commems were minted for both Austrian and Hungarian consumption, but they are considered to be Austrian coins by Krause. Also some regular issue Hungarian gold coins minted prior to 1892 bore dual Austrian/Hungarian denominations. These are considered to be Hungarian coins by Krause, but TPGs always slab them using the Austrian denomination, since it is listed first on the coin. Sometimes TPGs will slab Hungarian coins as Austrian, even when they are listed as Hungarian in Krause.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since country is sometimes a grey area, why aren't some coins simply considered to be multi-national?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 2198845, member: 46237"]What do you consider to be the authoritative way to determine a coin's country (if it can be said that there is one)? Is it determined by where the coin was minted, the government it was minted for, the country it was intended to circulate in, or something else entirely? All of these can be grey areas. The minting location can be in a contested area or one with multiple governing bodies, the government may be in transition due to rebellion etc., and a coin may be intended to circulate in multiple countries. I've been thinking about this as of late while working on my Hungarian Franz Joseph I type set, since the authoritative [I]Hungarian[/I] coin catalog considers a coin to be Hungarian if the mint was within Hungarian territory at the time of minting, but Krause (and the TPGs) use a different methodology. There was one controlling body for coinage for the Austro-Hungarian empire, so these distinctions are somewhat arbitrary to begin with. During the period between the Hungarian Revolution of 1848 and the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867, Hungary was ruled under an Austrian military dictatorship. Coins minted in Hungary for circulation in Hungary during this period (1851-1866) were [I]identical[/I] to the Austrian issues except for the mint marks. Krause (and the TPGs) consider all of these coins to be Austrian, regardless of mint mark, even the 1866 transition types that bore Hungarian legends. Starting in 1867, the designs diverged between Austrian and Hungarian issues, though they were coordinated in both value and general theme. For example, the obverses of comparable denomination Austrian and Hungarian coins might be identical (save for the language) but the reverses would bear the respective coat of arms of either Austria or Hungary. Some Austrian commems minted prior to 1892 but well into the Compromise period bore Latin text with dual Austrian/Hungarian denominations. These commems were minted for both Austrian and Hungarian consumption, but they are considered to be Austrian coins by Krause. Also some regular issue Hungarian gold coins minted prior to 1892 bore dual Austrian/Hungarian denominations. These are considered to be Hungarian coins by Krause, but TPGs always slab them using the Austrian denomination, since it is listed first on the coin. Sometimes TPGs will slab Hungarian coins as Austrian, even when they are listed as Hungarian in Krause. Since country is sometimes a grey area, why aren't some coins simply considered to be multi-national?[/QUOTE]
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