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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2019526, member: 112"]Paul, you have said so much that I don't even know where to begin. First of all what I presented was actual PCGS data published by PCGS. None of those are my numbers, they are PCGS numbers. </p><p><br /></p><p>Secondly it might help if before you started building spreadsheets and claiming that everything on those PCGS documents can simply not be right if you took the time to actually realize what you are looking at. You say the numbers don't add up. Well of course they don't add up because they aren't supposed to add up to begin with. There is not one horizontal line of numbers on either one of those pages, '03 or '06, where the copper, nickel, silver, and gold numbers equal the total number at the end. Each horizontal line is a list of individual categories. Nor is there a vertical column of numbers that when added up equal the total number at the bottom. Every number on those pages is an individual number that has nothing to do with the other numbers on the page. They don't add up because they are not supposed to add up. They, the numbers, merely represent their individual categories to provide a summary. </p><p><br /></p><p>For example, if you look at the front cover of the 2003 book, it says in black and white - a census of more than 8 million coins. But the largest total number on the summary page is under 6 million coins. Same thing happens with the 2006 documents.</p><p><br /></p><p>But if you go through the entire book line by line and coin by coin using only those coins in that specific category the numbers on the summary pages do add up. But even if you added up every individual coin in every individual grade in the entire book, you will still not reach the total number of coins graded by PCGS that is stated on the cover. That is because these PCGS published population reports do not include all of the coins graded by PCGS. They only include the ones listed in the book. In other words, if you added up every single one in the book, they still won't add up to the 8 million of the '03 book, or the 12 million of the '06 book.</p><p><br /></p><p>What you can do however is compare how each individual number on those summary pages changed from 2003 to 2006. In other words if you want to pick the silver column and in grade 66, in 2003 the number was 253,005 silver coins were graded MS66. But by 2006 there were 319,344 silver coins graded MS66.</p><p><br /></p><p>Or, you can use the total column. In 2003 there were 387,573 coins graded MS66. In 2006 there were 535,995 coins graded MS66. That is how those pages and numbers compare to each other. That shows the increases in just 2 years time. In other words, just like Ksorbo said in post #86, coins getting graded by PCGS as MS66 increased by 38% in just 2 years, as compared to the previous 18 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>That is a pretty huge increase, in my opinion of course.</p><p><br /></p><p>And remember, these are not my numbers, I didn't just make them up. This is PCGS data direct from PCGS. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now if you want to claim that PCGS is wrong, just because they have to be wrong, well, that's up to you. But you can go through these books published by PCGS every 3 months, year after year, and they will show you the same things. Ask TomB, he's got 20 years worth of them. Are they all wrong Paul ? Simply because they have to be ? In your opinion of course.</p><p><br /></p><p>The data shows what it shows, it's pretty hard to argue with it. But you're welcome to try <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2019526, member: 112"]Paul, you have said so much that I don't even know where to begin. First of all what I presented was actual PCGS data published by PCGS. None of those are my numbers, they are PCGS numbers. Secondly it might help if before you started building spreadsheets and claiming that everything on those PCGS documents can simply not be right if you took the time to actually realize what you are looking at. You say the numbers don't add up. Well of course they don't add up because they aren't supposed to add up to begin with. There is not one horizontal line of numbers on either one of those pages, '03 or '06, where the copper, nickel, silver, and gold numbers equal the total number at the end. Each horizontal line is a list of individual categories. Nor is there a vertical column of numbers that when added up equal the total number at the bottom. Every number on those pages is an individual number that has nothing to do with the other numbers on the page. They don't add up because they are not supposed to add up. They, the numbers, merely represent their individual categories to provide a summary. For example, if you look at the front cover of the 2003 book, it says in black and white - a census of more than 8 million coins. But the largest total number on the summary page is under 6 million coins. Same thing happens with the 2006 documents. But if you go through the entire book line by line and coin by coin using only those coins in that specific category the numbers on the summary pages do add up. But even if you added up every individual coin in every individual grade in the entire book, you will still not reach the total number of coins graded by PCGS that is stated on the cover. That is because these PCGS published population reports do not include all of the coins graded by PCGS. They only include the ones listed in the book. In other words, if you added up every single one in the book, they still won't add up to the 8 million of the '03 book, or the 12 million of the '06 book. What you can do however is compare how each individual number on those summary pages changed from 2003 to 2006. In other words if you want to pick the silver column and in grade 66, in 2003 the number was 253,005 silver coins were graded MS66. But by 2006 there were 319,344 silver coins graded MS66. Or, you can use the total column. In 2003 there were 387,573 coins graded MS66. In 2006 there were 535,995 coins graded MS66. That is how those pages and numbers compare to each other. That shows the increases in just 2 years time. In other words, just like Ksorbo said in post #86, coins getting graded by PCGS as MS66 increased by 38% in just 2 years, as compared to the previous 18 years. That is a pretty huge increase, in my opinion of course. And remember, these are not my numbers, I didn't just make them up. This is PCGS data direct from PCGS. Now if you want to claim that PCGS is wrong, just because they have to be wrong, well, that's up to you. But you can go through these books published by PCGS every 3 months, year after year, and they will show you the same things. Ask TomB, he's got 20 years worth of them. Are they all wrong Paul ? Simply because they have to be ? In your opinion of course. The data shows what it shows, it's pretty hard to argue with it. But you're welcome to try ;)[/QUOTE]
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