How much off center is acceptable? Updated with picture.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by alde, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is my example of the OP coin. Yes it also has issues but I love it.
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  3. dougsmit

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    I do not speak Spanish but to my way of reading "the sleeping shrimp is carried by the current" could mean 'go with the flow'.
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ahahaha, 100%

    Mentor => apparently you da King in more than one language!?
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This barbarous tetradrachm illustrates that being off center can go poorly as well as well.
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    Not all will agree on what is a good direction. Judging only by centering and obverse legend lost, which of the two coins below has a more desirable situation?

    All the emperor's name (SEP SEV) is clear:
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    None of the SEP SEV is on flan:
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    The first is a very rare dating device (IICO at right end of obverse legend) but identifiable only by sharing a die with better specimens. The second (ignore it being a higher grade) is a common COS II obverse. A specialist would prefer the centering on these two were switched. A collector wanting only one Septimius, might prefer one with his name showing and not care about the dating device.
     
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  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Except that's not the meaning a Cuban would apply to that saying... to them it would mean something along the lines of "if you fall asleep, you are going to get swept away." Ie. You snooze, you lose.

    It's been scientifically proven that the language you speak influences the way you think. People who speak different languages think differently, which is why many sayings lose their meaning when translated into another language, and the only way to capture the original meaning is to translate it in a way that makes more sense to the speakers of the language you are translating it into, instead of going for accuracy in translation.
     
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  7. alde

    alde Always Learning

    I'm sorry you were swept away with the current my friend. I had it in my watch list for a while too but thought I better snag it before someone else does. I'm glad I did. Better luck to you next time.
     
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  8. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @Sallent

    For an interesting book on this topic see "Thought and Language" by Lev Vygotsky. Vygotsky was interested in the cognitive processes involved in language and how these shape and are shaped by the socialization of children as they develop.

    Translation is difficult because we are not merely replacing words, we are translating thoughts and these are shaped by the environment in which one is raised. As a result any translation must take into account the values and beliefs of the culture the language lives in. Language and culture cannot be separated but the cognitive aspect must also not be ignored.
     
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  9. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Yours has the Capricorn facing to the right. I have not looked it up but yours I think is more scarce.
     
  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    The OP coin looks good to me. I do not have one, but it is Imperial and for the most part past when I collect. The Capricorn is neat. Red Lobster should have one of these coins in their endless shrimp ads.
    @Sallent I have one of Augie and the grand twins. Your coin looks good to me. You would have to decide if you like the price, but $220 seems good to me. If you want to wait and look more, you could find similar coins that would cost either more or less. I used the search feature on CNG (http://www.cngcoins.com/Coins_sold.aspx / using the term augustus RIC 207) and found 200 coins. Some were lower priced than yours, but not many.

    My only question about your coin is it a fouree? I can not tell what the black spots at 1 to 3 on the reverse are. If they are plating holes, the price could be a bit high my my estimate.
     
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  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    It was sold to me by a vcoins dealer as an AR denarius. if it's a fouree I'm going to be pissed. I would imagine vcoin dealer would be competent enough to figure that out. We shall see when i get it.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Unfortunately, not all fourrees are as obvious as the one below but I do not think Sallent's coin is one. To prove me wrong, you could cut it in half but I'd rather continue to believe in it.
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