How much of a premium is eye appeal worth?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by fiddlehead, Sep 23, 2018.

  1. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Here's an example - an MS62 coin I've recently purchased but haven't had in hand yet. I was willing to pay a premium over the auction and price guide listings for several reasons. The most important is the eye appeal, strike quality, lack of distracting marks, nice toning, etc. If it looks as good in hand I will be happy with it and the price I paid for it. Although another interesting twist regarding pricing is that NCG has it at $625 and PCGS at $550 - 14% difference - and both have the next grade level at way above that (I suspect that if it CAC's it might sell for close to or at the next grade level price someday). Another factor I used to rationalize my purchase is the relative lack of coins that look anywhere near as good in MS62 or MS63, and it doesn't come up all the often in any case. So - question is: I know from what people post here that there are many folks who only seem to collect coins that are exceptionally pretty. So, in general, how much does much better than average eye appeal and all that is implied by that influence the price you are willing to pay for something you collect?

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  3. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I usually stop at 300% of what the price guides say. But hey, show me a silver coin with the “right” colors and I may go way beyond that...
     
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  4. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I’m not a toner collector, per se. But overall eye appeal is a major factor in any coin I buy — and a killer can pull a small premium out of me. Nothing, of course, like I see many toners going for.
     
  5. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't have a percentage. I'll just say, a lot more. I don't find many coins I want. Average appeal is not my normal.
     
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Your wants always exceed your needs.....eye appeal is very important but to over pay for an item well....that's a call only your pockets can deciede.
    Yes I have in the past ,but won't do it in the future....!
    One at my age has to think about what is going to become of all these coins,books, etc.. etc... when I'm gone?
    No children here to pass them down to, not to say if I did they be interested in my collection.
    So there's no longer a need for me to buy coins that are a premium over retail value.
    In fact I haven't paid no more than 10 % over grey sheet in years.
    Buy will admit there been some specimens that makes it very hard to go against rule #1 needs over wants.....
     
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The seated quarter doesn't do anything for me. It's nice, but not worth a premium for my tastes. Album toning rainbows will catch my interests. Combine that with conservatively graded and I can go high.
     
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  8. 1916D10C

    1916D10C Key Date Mercs are Life! 1916-D/1921-D/1921

    This is not something anybody can possibly quantify into a dollar amount. It depends on availability of said coin, rarity/scarcity, age, and grade.

    If we are talking about an early U.S. coin that just doesn’t come up for sale often but that I need for my collection, is rarely seen without some sort of problems, and in the VG+ range with mark and scratch free original surfaces, I would pay STRONG, maybe $200 and up over retail.

    But, like I said this is very subjective.

    Standing by for Physics-Fan’s wisdom.
     
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  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    There is no limit to what eye appeal can bring. I've seen some MS 65 Morgan (guide around $125) sell for over $10,000.

    I've paid 20x-30x over guide for toners, but those coins had guide values of $3-$5. :)
     
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  10. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    I listened to an introductory lecture by PCGS on grading and the presenter said that, like most aesthetic judgements, eye appeal remains mostly a subjective matter. Though many people probably agree that gouges, deep scratches and high contrast spots go against eye appeal, I agree and find eye appeal difficult to quantify.

    Concerning toning, some will pay a heavy premium for it. I personally don't like toning on coins, so I try to avoid it. The quarter posted above fits my tastes fairly well. I will pay premiums for what I consider heavy eye appeal, but nothing too drastic unless I really really like the coin. I think I would have been willing to pay a little more for the quarter above. But many factors come into play in such a decision as to almost be hopelessly situational or, as lawyers always like to say, "it depends."
     
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Eye appeal, and low (reasonable) price is like a plan coming together.........
     
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  12. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I paid full-blown retail MS-63 BN money for this from Chris McCawley. Not a single regret.

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  13. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Thank you - perspectives much appreciated. For the posted coin - after deducting shipping and credit card fees (which I consider a buyers expense) I only paid a little more than 5% over the NGC price list (but 20% over the PCGS value). Not a lot of premium on this moderately priced piece - but then most of the time I find myself paying well below retail price list estimates.
     
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  14. fiddlehead

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  15. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Ah, but that 1829 bust coin you use as an icon is super lovely! What denomination is it?
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It is, as a general rule, agreed among people who know coins that luster and eye appeal are the two most important criteria when it comes to grading a coin.

    Granted, that's not really the question that's being asked here, but the connection, the relationship, of eye appeal to answering the question seems to be quite obvious - at least to me. For if eye appeal is one of the two most important grading criteria then it has a direct impact on value for the higher the grade the higher the value.

    But as already pointed put, at least indirectly, the real question is going to be IF the coin has eye appeal, and if so how much ? What I'm talking about is that it is always a matter of taste - a chocolate and vanilla thing. And taste is always dependent on the person doing the looking. Thus value is also dependent on taste - what one thinks valuable another will not.

    So the only answer to the question is it depends on whom you ask.
     
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  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    When you consider what to pay for eye appeal, you have to also consider how the coin is graded. Great eye appeal for a 62 may be typical eye appeal for a 64 or sub-standard for a 66.

    For the 1862 quarter, based only on the OP's picture, I like it. I'm not enough of a specialist in seated quarters to know if it's typical or exceptional, though, so I would not be ponying up extra bucks without first forming a basis for comparison, which it sounds like you did.

    As for how much extra to pay, I'd have to look at price guides and pop reports for higher grades. MS62 is $550, MS63 is $850, and MS64 is $1250. Those higher grades tell me what a typical, correctly graded coin should go for. In order for me to pay 63 money for a 62, it has to look better than the typical 63. Likewise when comparing to 64 money. I'd also have to consider that the grade on the holder is going to be a sticking point come time to sell for a premium.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    That's a half dime...Purchased from a member here... and yes probably over paid by my standards as the dealers I know here always give me a break......but it does have some nice eye appeal.:D
     
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  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I was once so star struck by a Proof 66 star seated dime with a perfect rainbow halo around the outer edge that I very nearly convinced myself to throw down my credit card. That is my number one no-no. Coins are purchased with cash or cash equivalent for me..... Dealer had it marked 30% more than the PCGS guide. That was two years ago and I still dream about it. One of the few good choices I have made though. The price point on that dime has been softening up.
     
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  20. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind 62s that look like they have minimal contact marks normally have very subpar luster or something else that's net grading them down to a 62. 62s with great looking surfaces are actually coins I typically avoid when buying from pictures because there is always a reason it got the 62 grade and when contact marks isn't the reason it's something else.

    Yours is a nice looking quarter but I wouldn't be surprised to find it a little lacking in luster or with some light wear. It's still pretty coin nice pickup!
     
  21. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Randy, I really hope someone doesn’t buy that thing before you pull the trigger.
     
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