How much more is a old green holder with cac sticker worth than regular PCGS holders?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by bosco5041, Oct 3, 2023.

  1. bosco5041

    bosco5041 Member

    I know this is a very general question and we should buy the coin and not the holder. Let's say both coins are equal. I guess what I am trying to say is what if any value does the OGH/cac add to the coin. The combination of the two seems to add to the price of about 10% or so at the coin shows I have been to, is that about right?
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  3. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    It is not feasible to pinpoint a range. I have witnessed -20% to + 75%, depending on the piece, the date, the Holder generation, availability, etc.

    I will, in general, opine that all variables being equal, except one has a CAC Green or Gold Sticker, the CAC piece will normally yield a better result. Whether or not an OGH is the cause of the increase, is at best a perception, as opposed to a definable percent, the difference being The Market has spoken (and loudly) that the CAC Sticker is desirable.
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It all depends on the coin in the holder.
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Thread title, "How much more is a old green holder with cac sticker worth than regular PCGS holders?"

    No more, but the coin in an old green holder with CAC sticker might be worth than another coin in a regular PCGS holder.
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  6. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I should clarify, my comment is concerning CAC, NOT CACG.

    The Market has not spoken in any definitive manner on this new TPG Grading Entity, and it will take time to opine in a meaningful way, until there is a heck of a lot more available comparisons to the collector. I would think 1-2 years, given the jumping off date and the Team JA has assembled. I will mention that the communication of the CACG Team with collectors has been very hands on and direct on the CAC website, and timely.
  7. bosco5041

    bosco5041 Member

    I know cac coins bring more but it seems like when you throw the ogh in the mix it becomes even more desirable. I know I will pay a little more for OGH/cac coins just because of the fact that the coin is probably stable after 25 years. I also think that as years go by they will be more sought after, just more opinion though.
  8. J.T. Parker

    J.T. Parker Well-Known Member

    Hi Bosco,
    This is all conjecture but...
    I would guess that the older holders were in use when grading protocols were a bit 'tighter' than they are now. Therefore, just about any coin graded at that time might grade a little higher if sent back in today.
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I have seen many old green label holder coins that were properly or conservatively graded. I have seen a very few that would get “details” grade if the coin were to be cracked out.

    As @Collecting Nut said, it all depends upon the coin in the holder. You might get more in an auction for the green label, but there are no rules.
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Exactly! No set rules.
  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    CAC is crap in my opinion.
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  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    No, No, are thinking of:

    C R A P (Collector Rant Against Professionals)

    I understand how some people get confused. No harm, no foul.
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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I would say that CAC is overrated. If you buy stuff only because “the numismatic pope” as blessed it, you are going to regret it. Usually it will be because you paid too much of a premium. On a small number of occasions, you will have bought an over graded and rare occasions a problem coin.
  15. Jaybot

    Jaybot Active Member

    I agree. I will only buy a cac stickered coin personally if the premium above what it would be without the sticker is no more than a few bucks. It's somewhat gimmicky, but I understand why some would feel more comfortable with buying a coin that has been seen by more professionals.
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  16. Jaybot

    Jaybot Active Member

    OGH and rattler coins, I will buy them in a heartbeat if they are the same price as a normal slab coin in same grade. Pretty neat numismatic history
  17. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    You are factually correct, but the poor images on eBay, and other factors used by many sellers, knowing that assistance on the site is currently virtually unavailable to buyers, allows many fraudulent sales.
  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I have a lot of cac coins. I have a lot of green label pcgs cac coins. Reasons. I like properly graded original coins with eye appeal. Cac stickers a lot of them. I like the pcgs green holders best of all holders other than the doily. Do I pay a premium for either for the holder or sticker. No. I may choose a green label Over another if they both hold comparable coins at the same price. But I will always buy the coin not the holder. A lot of my cac coins I’ve made not bought that way by recognizing a really nice coin that they’ll likely sticker
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  19. Jaybot

    Jaybot Active Member

    You and I think alike.
  20. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    If we’re talking coin for coin being equal
    I would the OGH, beleive it or not it does matter and the reason it matters is the fact
    that grading standards change over time
    something that was once considered a 55
    has now become a 58, the grading back in
    the day was a bit more complicated conservative back then.
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