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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3251446, member: 24314"]BooksB4Coins, asked: "[USER=24314]@Insider[/USER], longing for that long-lost anonymity yet?"</p><p><br /></p><p>Actually, I really did enjoy being an unknown so I could be my normal nasty and abrasive self when dealing with misinformation. My only regret about joining a form at all is the time commitment. I'm behind in my regular columns. Nevertheless, I've learned a lot and get ideas for columns. Obviously, it is embarrassing when I <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> make the mistakes. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree w/Lehigh96. "The idea that the TPGs change their standards for numerical grading to drive resubmissions is <b><i><span style="color: #ff0000">total lunacy</span></i></b>."</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't agree with this: "Gradeflation is the <span style="color: #ff0000">natural result of the subjectivity of grading combined with a financial incentive to upgrade</span>,..."</p><p><br /></p><p>Gradeflation occurred as standards were loosened. It also allowed coins to be graded higher to reflect their increasing value over time. </p><p><br /></p><p>"physics-fan3.14, posted: "You are out of the game of buying and selling coins, is what I meant. Obviously, I know you're still heavily involved here. But <span style="color: #b30000">if you don't have that first-hand experience of buying and selling,</span> that is significantly different than being a prominent member of a coin website. Things have changed quite a bit in the last few decades."</p><p><br /></p><p>Without the experience of being in the trenches day-to-day with your finger on the pulse of the market, it is difficult to be a commercial grader or to know what the "spread" is on an individual coin. Many coins are graded higher AND lower <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> than their actual condition depending on what they are. However, grading a coin as a collector/dealer is a personal and subjective pursuit. Anyone, with Doug's experience, can grade a coin without buying or selling them. The closer that person comes to the norm of the present time the better grader they will appear to be to more people. Professional TPGS employees are a fairly good example. They don't sell coins but in many cases, they are allowed to buy coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>TypeCoin971793, posted: "I saw hairlines on an MS-63+ coin, so I wanted to learn where to learn where lines are drawn in regard to grading UNC coins with hairlines. I think you can understand my frustration when the answer is that it is completely arbitrary. And then a fanboy shows up and says that the standards are always changing, but then tries to argue that they are consistent. So which is it?"</p><p><br /></p><p>If you wish to learn the "line." You'll need to look at graded coins by the major grading services. MS coins can have hairlines from improper cleaning or mishandling and still be straight graded. Read the ANA Grading guide chart with the silver dollars to get a start. Then you'll need to learn the difference between these lines on coins. When does a hairline become a tiny scratch? When does a tiny scratch become a scratch or a gouge? It is all a matter of degree. The problem is as of yet there is no standard. Be patient, I'm working on it. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>"I have learned only one thing from this thread: <i><span style="color: #ff0000">gold coins are given leniency</span></i> due to the softness of the metal. And that still does not answer my question."</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a big step! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3251446, member: 24314"]BooksB4Coins, asked: "[USER=24314]@Insider[/USER], longing for that long-lost anonymity yet?" Actually, I really did enjoy being an unknown so I could be my normal nasty and abrasive self when dealing with misinformation. My only regret about joining a form at all is the time commitment. I'm behind in my regular columns. Nevertheless, I've learned a lot and get ideas for columns. Obviously, it is embarrassing when I :bucktooth: make the mistakes. I agree w/Lehigh96. "The idea that the TPGs change their standards for numerical grading to drive resubmissions is [B][I][COLOR=#ff0000]total lunacy[/COLOR][/I][/B]." I don't agree with this: "Gradeflation is the [COLOR=#ff0000]natural result of the subjectivity of grading combined with a financial incentive to upgrade[/COLOR],..." Gradeflation occurred as standards were loosened. It also allowed coins to be graded higher to reflect their increasing value over time. "physics-fan3.14, posted: "You are out of the game of buying and selling coins, is what I meant. Obviously, I know you're still heavily involved here. But [COLOR=#b30000]if you don't have that first-hand experience of buying and selling,[/COLOR] that is significantly different than being a prominent member of a coin website. Things have changed quite a bit in the last few decades." Without the experience of being in the trenches day-to-day with your finger on the pulse of the market, it is difficult to be a commercial grader or to know what the "spread" is on an individual coin. Many coins are graded higher AND lower :jawdrop: than their actual condition depending on what they are. However, grading a coin as a collector/dealer is a personal and subjective pursuit. Anyone, with Doug's experience, can grade a coin without buying or selling them. The closer that person comes to the norm of the present time the better grader they will appear to be to more people. Professional TPGS employees are a fairly good example. They don't sell coins but in many cases, they are allowed to buy coins. TypeCoin971793, posted: "I saw hairlines on an MS-63+ coin, so I wanted to learn where to learn where lines are drawn in regard to grading UNC coins with hairlines. I think you can understand my frustration when the answer is that it is completely arbitrary. And then a fanboy shows up and says that the standards are always changing, but then tries to argue that they are consistent. So which is it?" If you wish to learn the "line." You'll need to look at graded coins by the major grading services. MS coins can have hairlines from improper cleaning or mishandling and still be straight graded. Read the ANA Grading guide chart with the silver dollars to get a start. Then you'll need to learn the difference between these lines on coins. When does a hairline become a tiny scratch? When does a tiny scratch become a scratch or a gouge? It is all a matter of degree. The problem is as of yet there is no standard. Be patient, I'm working on it. :D "I have learned only one thing from this thread: [I][COLOR=#ff0000]gold coins are given leniency[/COLOR][/I] due to the softness of the metal. And that still does not answer my question." This is a big step! :D[/QUOTE]
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