How Much Do You Trust TrueView?

This statement makes no sense at all. The only way to enhance a photo is to deceptively edit it after the shot. If light can create a look that look exists. Clearly some of you have a vendetta against it, hence the nonsense "juiced" comments

 

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No vendetta here. And Larry is Mr. Juice guy.

Are you really suggesting that light cannot alter/enhance a coins appearance??
I have to be honest, this was not one of your better posts, lol. I'm pretty sure just a simple colored bulb or color filter in front of a lens can alter the appearance.

Regardless, it doesn't matter to me what the photographer does or how they do it. I'm not the one splitting hairs here on how to enhance photos or what juice is. I'm more concerned with the end product in comparison to the coin in hand. I find that a coin often looks better in TrueView. There are many others that seem to agree. That's all.

 

Light can, however if light is all that is doing that that is a real appearance of a coin. Light doesn't fake color or looks. It is a condition nothing more.

 

I find TrueViews far more accurate than some of the stock photos you are using

 

Stock photos? I don't use stock photos. Got me confused with someone else. All my photos are taken with my camera. I may have a listing or two with TrueView photos included with my photos but that's about it.

If by stock you are referring to my photos from my camera, then how would you know they would be more accurate than a TV photo?

As another poster mentioned, I'm going by what I have seen with my eyes, not hearsay.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/162475488116?vectorid=229466&lgeo=1&item=162475488116&rmvSB=true

So that isn't on your site? Your link must be broken in my opinion if what you say is true

Edit: link to find it http://www.buybaycoins.com/ from his signature

 

This Photo (below) was taken using my old Canon T3 and tube extenders. Using a single OTT-Lite goose neck desk lamp.

The coin was tilted (as you can see) but camera was angled at very close to same angle. This is a technique I often have to use to show toning on any coin.

In editing all I did was crop to coin, and I use the auto white balance feature (Is that juicing it?) on Gimp 2.8

 

It's clear that you do not understand this topic. You need to understand it before starting a thread such as this. There is a giant difference between using the lighting to capture an image and saying an image is enhancer, juiced or post edited.

 

Not at all. I like to have the white balance correct with the camera but sometimes correct it later.

 

Larry, there's nothing to understand. It's a yes or no issue. Does the coin look better in TrueView photos, yes or no? Or the way it's worded in the title: "Do you trust TrueView photos?".

@baseball21 and yourself are the only ones that didn't answer the question straight up. You guys went off on some other tangent about juicing and lighting. I have stated repeatedly I don't care about the process and that all I am concerned about is the end result. Then you tell me I don't understand the topic. No, you don't understand the topic.

 

I did answer it. As time went on I wondered why you were so critical as your sale link showed stock photos as linked above from your own site.

 

Aaahhh, you are clicking on my affiliate website in my signature. Should have thought about that, doh . Ok yea those aren't my coins. I have my own ebay store though that has my coins. I would name it here but moderators might not like that. It's in my profile though

 

Why would they hate that over the store link you have?

 

I did not contradict myself. I just gave more information about how I believe Phil lights coins. What do you believe is my contradiction?

Can't tell. Only way to know is to hold the coin in-hand and compare to the pictures.

It's true that I have not compared hundreds of coins vs their TVs. But why is that needed? A few dozen examples seems like enough. Those were juiced. Looking at a few hundred more won't change that.

Well, certainly not intentionally. Only way it could be juiced is if your camera settings are juicing it. It's not just post-processing that can be used to juice images. An image can be juiced right out of the camera if the saturation and contrast are cranked all the way up. Most folks believe that an image coming "out of camera" is somehow magically pure, but it is subject to the demosaicing and jpg conversion algorithms, and the user settings for sharpness, contrast, and saturation. Based on looking at the coin, though, it looks like you are not cranking your settings, so you're likely not even unintentionally juicing the image.

Lighting it axially, or pseudo-axially through tilting, is not juicing.

 

You are asking why would you need a sample size that was statistically relevant in anyway.....

 

I've looked at dozens of TV images and compared with the coins in-hand. Most of those had deep toning, as I am a toning fan. And most (maybe all) were obviously more saturated than life. That is statistically relevant for deep toned coins. Admittedly I have compared fewer blast white or full red coins so wouldn't be able to make a conclusion on those.

 

The lights in my house are a combination of incandescent, CFL and LED along with plenty of daylight, just like everyone else's house. If the look of a coin in hand under one of those light sources isn't at least somewhat similar to the photo, I would consider it juiced. What good is a photo if it can't be reproduced without creative lighting?

 

I gave you my opinion in post #7. You are the one that called Phil's images juiced when you don't have a clue what that even means. You are the one that said you would never buy a coin from only his images. These were your words, not mine. Would you like me to come at you and your business with statements like that? I would not do that but there are those that would. Post something like this over on CU and watch how quickly you get ripped apart. Be sure to show a link to your images and listings.

 

Off topic question....What is this CU that keeps getting mentioned?

 

PCGS coin forum (Collectors Universe).