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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 7440855, member: 15309"]Reveal: All NINE are 5FS or better</p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #1: 1938 MS66 5FS (Crossed from PCGS MS66FS). People struggle with the reverse of 38 coins because their design has bridges built in. The reverse of 38 is allowed to have both bridges and interrupting marks as long as the overall step detail is good and the fifth step is complete. Almost always, there is weakness under the 3rd pillar in the fifth step.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/rEXAP9F.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/b6IHI07.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #2: 1941-D MS67* 5FS. This coin is a monster but the overall sharpness of the steps is not very good. Luckily, though weak, there are no disqualifying bridges or marks.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/egleNq8.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/F5twdB4.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #3: 1942-P MS67 FS. The FS designation means the coin was graded prior to 2003 and the inception of the 5FS designation. That means when they graded this coin that they thought the coin had 6FS, but I think we can all see the break in the 6th step and realize this should really be a 5FS coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/UUjSrdh.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/5J4DCA1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #4: 1943-S MS67 5FS. This one had the smallest and worst photograph. Under a loupe, the steps are full and it doesn't surprise me that it got 5FS.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/4xJfCqH.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/AlWAhlv.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #5: 1947-D MS66 5FS. Much like coin #2, the steps are not razor sharp and the toning makes it look like there are bridges where there are none. That said, there are no major distractions and this coin finished where I thought it would, behind 2,3, & 9 which were the easy ones.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/lSBSOiW.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/WLxSUtT.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #6: 1950 MS66 5FS. I couldn't even bring myself to vote for this one and I knew the grade. There is a bridge in the final quadrant. You can make it disappear if you angle the coin correctly under a lamp, but I think this coin is EXTREMELY fortunate to have gotten a 5FS designation from NGC.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/D2e4iN1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/dXkOsiC.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #7: 1952-D MS65 5FS. I crossed this from a PCGS MS65FS and am a little surprised by the lack of love that it got. There is a little weakness of 4th step in the center, but nothing that I think should disqualify it from 5FS.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/D2e4iN1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/6sUFZaz.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #8: 1957-D MS66 5FS. This has what I call PCGS FS. There are a few very minor and shallow marks that PCGS likes to ignore and NGC usually won't. This time they did. Another coin that was very fortunate to grade 5FS.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/GFPs5aj.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/dBJWvzK.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Coin #9: 1958-D MS66 5FS. If you looked at this coin and thought "NO" then you need to go to Lens Crafters, because you are either applying the standard for 6FS or are blind. There are no bridges or marks and steps really don't come much better than this.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/hm87ItN.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/7s8w3cp.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If after the first round of PCGS coins you were perfect because you said none of them had full steps, but then struck out on this round because you also said none of these had full steps, it is almost assured that you are not applying the standards that are being utilized by the TPGs. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, you can apply whatever standard you want to grading, but I'm afraid it is going to severely handicap you in some of my GTG threads.</p><p><br /></p><p>This exercise start as a bitch session about the results of the my latest submission, and turned into a rather fun game with several teachable moments. Hope you guys had fun, and if you have any questions about the individual coins or the TPG standards, don't hesitate to ask.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 7440855, member: 15309"]Reveal: All NINE are 5FS or better Coin #1: 1938 MS66 5FS (Crossed from PCGS MS66FS). People struggle with the reverse of 38 coins because their design has bridges built in. The reverse of 38 is allowed to have both bridges and interrupting marks as long as the overall step detail is good and the fifth step is complete. Almost always, there is weakness under the 3rd pillar in the fifth step. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rEXAP9F.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/b6IHI07.jpg[/IMG] Coin #2: 1941-D MS67* 5FS. This coin is a monster but the overall sharpness of the steps is not very good. Luckily, though weak, there are no disqualifying bridges or marks. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/egleNq8.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/F5twdB4.jpg[/IMG] Coin #3: 1942-P MS67 FS. The FS designation means the coin was graded prior to 2003 and the inception of the 5FS designation. That means when they graded this coin that they thought the coin had 6FS, but I think we can all see the break in the 6th step and realize this should really be a 5FS coin. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UUjSrdh.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5J4DCA1.jpg[/IMG] Coin #4: 1943-S MS67 5FS. This one had the smallest and worst photograph. Under a loupe, the steps are full and it doesn't surprise me that it got 5FS. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/4xJfCqH.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/AlWAhlv.jpg[/IMG] Coin #5: 1947-D MS66 5FS. Much like coin #2, the steps are not razor sharp and the toning makes it look like there are bridges where there are none. That said, there are no major distractions and this coin finished where I thought it would, behind 2,3, & 9 which were the easy ones. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/lSBSOiW.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/WLxSUtT.jpg[/IMG] Coin #6: 1950 MS66 5FS. I couldn't even bring myself to vote for this one and I knew the grade. There is a bridge in the final quadrant. You can make it disappear if you angle the coin correctly under a lamp, but I think this coin is EXTREMELY fortunate to have gotten a 5FS designation from NGC. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/D2e4iN1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/dXkOsiC.jpg[/IMG] Coin #7: 1952-D MS65 5FS. I crossed this from a PCGS MS65FS and am a little surprised by the lack of love that it got. There is a little weakness of 4th step in the center, but nothing that I think should disqualify it from 5FS. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/D2e4iN1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/6sUFZaz.jpg[/IMG] Coin #8: 1957-D MS66 5FS. This has what I call PCGS FS. There are a few very minor and shallow marks that PCGS likes to ignore and NGC usually won't. This time they did. Another coin that was very fortunate to grade 5FS. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/GFPs5aj.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/dBJWvzK.jpg[/IMG] Coin #9: 1958-D MS66 5FS. If you looked at this coin and thought "NO" then you need to go to Lens Crafters, because you are either applying the standard for 6FS or are blind. There are no bridges or marks and steps really don't come much better than this. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hm87ItN.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7s8w3cp.jpg[/IMG] If after the first round of PCGS coins you were perfect because you said none of them had full steps, but then struck out on this round because you also said none of these had full steps, it is almost assured that you are not applying the standards that are being utilized by the TPGs. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, you can apply whatever standard you want to grading, but I'm afraid it is going to severely handicap you in some of my GTG threads. This exercise start as a bitch session about the results of the my latest submission, and turned into a rather fun game with several teachable moments. Hope you guys had fun, and if you have any questions about the individual coins or the TPG standards, don't hesitate to ask.[/QUOTE]
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