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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;NPCoin, post: 143243, member: 5629&quot;]I know you have more numismatic experience than I, GD, but that&#039;s only because you&#039;re older <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, the ANA Standards, Fifth Edition, states:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I personally believe &quot;what&#039;s good for the goose is good for the gander&quot;, thus I put silver coins (Morgans and such) in the same boat as coppers with MS grades and toning.&nbsp; I would relent with regards to silver and other coins that are highly active chemically, but the coppers are an absolute.&nbsp; If it&#039;s not red, it&#039;s not above MS66.&nbsp; The color must be original.&nbsp; With regards to toning, all of us that are experienced know full well how toning can cover up certain detractions that would otherwise be immediately noticeable.&nbsp; This in itself is not reason to &quot;automatically&quot; place toned coins down to MS66, but it is rather good justification, in my opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Like I said, there are a number of grading standards out there that are used without qualification.&nbsp; One person will say MS67 when referring to someone else&#039;s MS66.&nbsp; PCGS vs. ANA is a prime example in this.&nbsp; PCGS Standard do not require original color for +MS66 copper, while the ANA Standard does.&nbsp; And this is also another reason I do not personally use the TPGs.&nbsp; Not because they don&#039;t grade exactly according to the same standard I do, but because they do not give the individual a qualification for the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>For instance, the copper MS67 BN.&nbsp; I would not consider something without original mint color to be that close to &quot;perfect as minted&quot;.&nbsp; A designation and grade should be &quot;MS66 BN Sharp struck&quot; or &quot;MS66 BN, MS67 Details&quot;, but not MS67.&nbsp; Of course, you can always disagree, but I won&#039;t put my money into a supposedly MS67 brown copper.&nbsp; Or even any toned metal content past MS66.</p><p><br /></p><p>Toning is a type of deterioration.&nbsp; And there is no guarantee that attractive toning is going to stay that way indefinitely.&nbsp; Unless you try to alter the coin, toning is irreversible.&nbsp; Some is attractive, some is not.&nbsp; In that regard also, the attractiveness of the toning is subjective.&nbsp; One person will like the toning; another may not care much for it, but not see it as detracting from the coin either; and, yet another may see the toning as ugly, detractive, and devaluing the coin.&nbsp; One coin, three opinions.</p><p><br /></p><p>No copper coin that is not red can grade higher than MS66.&nbsp; And, in my opinion, the same standard toward color oriniginality should apply to all coins, regardless of chemical activeness.&nbsp; If there are exceptions to the grade, such as attractive toning, exceptional strike, etc, then it should be noted along with the grade in order to command the premium, but not bumped up into the next category just because the price fits.&nbsp; That&#039;s getting a bit too Sheldon for me.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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