How high will NGC grade this 1884-CC Morgan?

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  1. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Wow, I went from a nice 66 to a low 64 with the new images. Hope you didn't get hosed on it.
     
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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It's a decent 65 in my opinion. Anything going lower and you got hosed.
     
  4. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    All GSA graded

    63
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    64
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    65
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    I still think it's a 65
     
  5. redcent230

    redcent230 Well-Known Member

  6. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Those are some nice Morgans @BigTee44. Are you trying to say that TPGs are consistent? Good one.
     
  7. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    They have to be somewhat. Otherwise no one would send them coins.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Definitely not the same thing I thought before. Ya gotta love pictures :rolleyes:
     
  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not the same coin as in the other pictures. Typical Morgan CC baggy uncirculated. Revised grade based on revised pictures--MS 63. Nothing like Photoshop and different lighting to make a coin look completely different. If you had those pictures side by side, I would NOT think them even remotely the same coin--the first set looked MS 65 and the revised (un-enhanced) pictures look MS 63. So, playing with the photos, or shooting at a flattering angle and lighting picked up two grades in my book. :)
     
  10. Weston

    Weston Well-Known Member

    Nice! I would also be surprised if they didn't call it a 66!
     
  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    With the second pics I'd go 63 and 64+ or 65 is an inbetween one a real strong 64 or a lower end 65
     
  12. flintcreek6412

    flintcreek6412 Active Member

    I'd send it back if that's an option. Doesn't even closely represent the photo and likely deceptive in nature. Unless you paid less than $150 for it. My vote is 64 if you send it in. That's the problem with Morgan's IMO....I either want an XF45 or and MS65+. Baggy cheeks really bug me for some reason. It's odd how I can scour Heritage for CC morgans and some 64s look OK and others awful.
     
  13. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I'd say 64. It's the same coin, but he doctored the photos of the obverse. He somehow covered up that row of contact marks running up the cheek near the nose and eye.

    84-CC GSA is very common. If you're not happy with it, you might want to return it as there are plenty more available.
     
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  14. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    He offered a fair partial refund after I told him I wanted to return it. I'll be able to sell it and be close to break even.

    Not the $1000 coin I was hoping for.
     
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  15. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    One of the reasons I skip a lot of coins on ebay is because the pictures do not give me a feel for the coin. I got bit by it early on with ebay - since then I really do not take any chances.
     
  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not even close. More like a $300 coin.
     
  17. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    I'd say a 64
     
  18. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    1. Nevertheless it is a slightly better piece, most of them are of 62/63 condition.
     
  19. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    After looking at it closer it will be lucky to get a 63. Theres 4 scratches right on the chin.
     
  20. TreasureSlugN1851

    TreasureSlugN1851 Active Member

    Dont think first coins pics and second pics match up... you can clearly see bag marks in the first pics looking ms66-67 that dont show on the others... get it graded NGC. in the GSA id say ms63. Good luck! Always a great starter coin to the set!
     
  21. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    The later examples of grading aside, the initially shown seller's photos and the later photos provided by the buyer absolutely show the same coin evenif not obvious due to the former's, ahem, "technique".
     
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