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Message:: [QUOTE="keemao, post: 1669638, member: 43972"]No offense, but the 83-O is fugly especially what looks to be a fingerprint on her face, the other 83-O is near terminal state and I detect a tinge of green on the 85-O at the "B" in PLURIBUS....possibly PVC damage as it, too, is in a soft flip. Chris[/QUOTE] No offense taken to any comments.  I don't especially like the real black toned ones either but thought I'd throw them in.  And I noticed the fingerprint on the 1883-O also which would keep me away from it unless the price was pretty low.  I know it's hard to tell for sure since the pics are taken through the holders and I can't lay eyes on them yet or take my own pics.  I'll have to make better judgments when I see them in hand but thought it would be worth some other opinions since there are a lot of people that love the toned Morgans.[/QUOTE]