how do you spot fake Trade Dollars, anyway?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ksparrow, Aug 1, 2009.

  1. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    I'll post a genuine 73-S for comparison with Rheingold's when he puts up new photos. This is an AU58.
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  3. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Here are more pics. 20201031_165229~2.jpg 20201031_165246~2.jpg
     
  4. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Thanks for posting larger images, Rheingold. When enlarged they don't show the level of fine detail that I like to see, but I can work with them. I don't see anything about the coin that makes me doubt it's authentic. Wear is about equal on both sides (about 40); strike weakness is pretty typical (eagle's left leg, right wing, Liberty's head/tiara). some weakness of obv dentils as seen around 7 is not unusual. Any particular areas of concern to you? If so, homing in on them with your camera would help.
     
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  5. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Thanks a lot @ksparrow .
    The weight and the diameter is correct so I'm happy with this coin as an upgrade for my Dansco.
    I'm fine with xf40.
     
  6. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Thanks, I forgot to ask about weight, glad you checked. I think it will be a nice album coin and a tougher date as well. Enjoy!
     
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  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    A friend is questioning this one.

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    Stated "aside from the coin having some issues, there’s faint lettering of TRADE DOLLAR on the obverse and stars on the reverse. The coin weighs right and tests correctly on the Sigma.

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    Is this a counterfeit? Or an error? Re-struck dollars? Die clashes? I also have a 1875-S and 1877-S with a very similar look".

    Images of the 1875-S added for reference.
     

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  8. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    It looks genuine to me, although the chops and contra-coup damage always introduce some element of uncertainty. Is the edge reeding ok too (if not too damaged)?
    there was also a thread on the CU forums about trade dollars with those "ghosts" of lettering/stars not too long ago. Issue not explained or resolved.
     
  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

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  10. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    That's the link!
     
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  11. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

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    an example of a poor quality fake, malformed letters, mushy strike (note that the flat areas on the design don't correspond to normal wear on a trade dollar); extra raised metal in multiple areas, rim too thin in may areas. weight reported at 25.95g. Posted here on another thread.
     
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  12. ksparrow

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  13. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Well-Known Member

    It's been taken down !! th (1).jpgClark2.jpg
     
  14. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Well-Known Member

    Here's the obverse >>
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  15. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Very informative post. Enjoyed the lesson thank you.
     
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  16. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Thanks for posting the obv, Sal. Much appreciated. You can see how the surfaces are grainy, the dentils are terrible everywhere; the eagle's right facing wing is weak (very unusual on a TD) and the feathers have been touched up. Similar look to the obv, but I could see how someone not familiar with fakes or the series could be fooled, especially in a fake pcgs holder
     
  17. Teran

    Teran Member

    What is the size of diameter for real ones or are all genuine ones the same size?
    Appreciated.
     
  18. mike estes

    mike estes Active Member

    i sure have a lot to learn....... great photos by the way.
     
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  19. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    38.1mm
     
  20. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Active Member

    That might be the first fake slab I've seen where the barcode actually matches the cert#.
     
  21. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Would appreciate thoughts on this one!
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    Thanks, Jack.
     
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