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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3951376, member: 112"]I won't disagree that that's true, but not really what I was getting at. Here's the pic - <img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/img_20191124_175204-jpg.1040099/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> Now who can tell me, definitively, is that a Proof or a business strike ? (And the question isn't for you Joe.) And if ya don't know the answer at an instant glance, without thinking about it at all - then the pic simply can't be a good representation of the coin - can it ? Personally, I can't tell for sure, can anybody else ? And Joe, let folks answer before you do, only then will you understand my point. And that's just the primary thing as I see it. The upper right quadrant of the pic is way too bright, pure white - it doesn't show the surface at all. Ya can't see the luster, and yes, Proofs have luster too, but ya can't see luster, nor can you see mirrors, so ya can't tell, for sure, if it's a Proof or a business strike. You can see the spot on the jaw line, the contact mark above the 9, and some small spots above the date. But ya can't tell for sure if there's anything else, anywhere. But I suspect there is. We can see some light toning here and there, but Proofs and business strikes both have toning, often light, so that doesn't really tell us anything either, other than that it's there.[/QUOTE]