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<p>[QUOTE="World Colonial, post: 2445441, member: 78153"]The examples and reasoning you are using in this post are again in the abstract.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the case of the Jefferson nickel, there aren't remotely 10 million collectors of the series, unless they are collecting out of pocket change which I do not remotely believe.</p><p><br /></p><p>But even If there are, there is never going to be the day where this coin is going to be "rare", not in the lifetime of anyone reading my comments. As I was explaining in a prior post, coins like this and much scarcer aren't actually hard to buy, except maybe "grade rare" or some specialization which is actually usually numismatic minutia. I see your definition as you are using it here as just another rationalization to exaggerate the merits of what someone likes.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is also a difference between rarity and availability, both with coins that most or everyone agrees are rare but also because of price. </p><p><br /></p><p>As an example, Baker 24a the Peter Getz 1792 Washington half dollar small eagle in silver purportedly has 22 specimens known. This coin is more common than 1804 Class I dollars yet comes up for sale far less frequently, at least publicly. It is a much cheaper coin but hardly cheap. My explanation for it is that these coins are disproportionately held by "strong hands" who concurrently have a very strong affinity for it and don't put it up for sale often, maybe usually by the heirs after they are deceased.</p><p><br /></p><p>As one post above alluded to, some coins are also much harder to buy than their actual scarcity because their low prices don't provide any incentive to sell it. This is particularly true of world coins and likely true of the coins I collect to some extent.</p><p><br /></p><p>The mintages provide a reference point on the maximum potential number of survivors but nothing more. What matters is the survival rate and particularly in the quality most collectors want to buy, not the mintage or how many still exist. In another topic, I was comparing the 1796 quarter to the pillar 2R. As a type, the 1796 is much scarcer versus all pillar mints combined. The distinction is that most collectors (I am the exception) do not collect all mints (usually only Mexico) and most of the coins aren't remotely in a quality that particularly US collectors will ever want to buy or if they do, aren't ever going to be worth much. On the other hand, practically ever 1796 quarter (if not all of them) sells for a respectable or strong price.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is why when I read comments about the supposed "rarity" of some low mintage modern bullion coin like the First Spouse series, I find it amusing. Yes, the mintage is low but the number available in "high" quality is greater than somewhere over 99% of all circulating coins ever struck. None of these coins are actually even remotely scarce. In all likelihood, most of the demand probably comes from speculators who have bought it for its supposed "rarity" as an "investment" versus real collectors who actually want it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="World Colonial, post: 2445441, member: 78153"]The examples and reasoning you are using in this post are again in the abstract. In the case of the Jefferson nickel, there aren't remotely 10 million collectors of the series, unless they are collecting out of pocket change which I do not remotely believe. But even If there are, there is never going to be the day where this coin is going to be "rare", not in the lifetime of anyone reading my comments. As I was explaining in a prior post, coins like this and much scarcer aren't actually hard to buy, except maybe "grade rare" or some specialization which is actually usually numismatic minutia. I see your definition as you are using it here as just another rationalization to exaggerate the merits of what someone likes. There is also a difference between rarity and availability, both with coins that most or everyone agrees are rare but also because of price. As an example, Baker 24a the Peter Getz 1792 Washington half dollar small eagle in silver purportedly has 22 specimens known. This coin is more common than 1804 Class I dollars yet comes up for sale far less frequently, at least publicly. It is a much cheaper coin but hardly cheap. My explanation for it is that these coins are disproportionately held by "strong hands" who concurrently have a very strong affinity for it and don't put it up for sale often, maybe usually by the heirs after they are deceased. As one post above alluded to, some coins are also much harder to buy than their actual scarcity because their low prices don't provide any incentive to sell it. This is particularly true of world coins and likely true of the coins I collect to some extent. The mintages provide a reference point on the maximum potential number of survivors but nothing more. What matters is the survival rate and particularly in the quality most collectors want to buy, not the mintage or how many still exist. In another topic, I was comparing the 1796 quarter to the pillar 2R. As a type, the 1796 is much scarcer versus all pillar mints combined. The distinction is that most collectors (I am the exception) do not collect all mints (usually only Mexico) and most of the coins aren't remotely in a quality that particularly US collectors will ever want to buy or if they do, aren't ever going to be worth much. On the other hand, practically ever 1796 quarter (if not all of them) sells for a respectable or strong price. This is why when I read comments about the supposed "rarity" of some low mintage modern bullion coin like the First Spouse series, I find it amusing. Yes, the mintage is low but the number available in "high" quality is greater than somewhere over 99% of all circulating coins ever struck. None of these coins are actually even remotely scarce. In all likelihood, most of the demand probably comes from speculators who have bought it for its supposed "rarity" as an "investment" versus real collectors who actually want it.[/QUOTE]
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