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<p>[QUOTE="Brett_in_Sacto, post: 2256590, member: 71510"]I think everyone in this thread has said the same thing. I've used Ebay a LONG long time. In fact one of my earlier purchases was a handgun. (Yes, legally - through an FFL. Ebay used to allow firearm purchases back in "the day")</p><p><br /></p><p>I've used them to buy, sell, set prices, etc...</p><p><br /></p><p>-Ebay is a factor to be reckoned with - like it or not, it's a huge AND accessible marketplace</p><p><br /></p><p>-Buyers have too much power and influence without responsibility or consequences</p><p><br /></p><p>-Sellers take on the responsibility and burden of fraud, scams, and unrealistic expectations</p><p><br /></p><p>I have been scammed a few times. Two are "shame on me" (tried to help a school administrator in China get a rare stamp by saving him shipping - got screwed and he said he never received - out $100, shipped a rare knife, dude returned a different/broken one and I never inspected and reported it - out $150).</p><p><br /></p><p>I've received negative feedback over a $3 item that was lost in the mail. Jerk got a refund and was out nothing - I on the other hand got negative feedback. Happened 2 times (albeit the second was a much larger item that eventually got returned because the idiot didn't sign for it and it was returned) and I lost my "Top Rated" discount seller status. I just stopped auctions and raised prices to ride it out.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think the single biggest issue is the buyers having no responsibility in the transaction. Ability to say or do as they wish with no consequences - and everything to gain from the scam. </p><p><br /></p><p>That has been the one change "for the worse" that has affected most sellers and I believe collectively (contact other collector boards - stamps, beanie babies, etc) we could do something about it.</p><p><br /></p><p>The other possibility in this great country is the ability to compete. And many are trying to compete with Ebay. If we did this as a group and said "Cointalk Officially Endorses _______ auctions" and got other groups to do it - there is the possibility of a cultural win - AND the fact that Ebay would have to take a look at the consequences of their decisions (and probably try a hostile buy-out of the endorsed auction site). But it would have to be VERY PUBLIC AND OUTSPOKEN to get attention.</p><p><br /></p><p>If we could get buyers to put skin in the game, we would all be better off. Large groups would have to convince Ebay that their business will go away if we don't get better protection as sellers. There will always be fraud in every walk of life, especially since we coddle criminals and allow them to roam free (until I'm elected President anyhow - in which case I'd be recommending the death penalty for all repeat offenses!)</p><p><br /></p><p>This all comes down to identity fraud and identity theft. If you had to use one account for life - things would be different. The ability to fire up a new "identity" and get back to scamming is the root source of this issue. I think if Ebay could resolve that - it would do a lot to mitigate the problem.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of this is predicated on an organized effort. One - or even several dozen people would have no affect. It would have to be "hundreds" to start the movement - and "thousands" to make it happen. Must be able to affect Ebay's bottom line. With PayPal out of the mix - it might be a bit easier to do.</p><p><br /></p><p>Tawk amongst yehselvez.... I'm getting verklempt! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Brett_in_Sacto, post: 2256590, member: 71510"]I think everyone in this thread has said the same thing. I've used Ebay a LONG long time. In fact one of my earlier purchases was a handgun. (Yes, legally - through an FFL. Ebay used to allow firearm purchases back in "the day") I've used them to buy, sell, set prices, etc... -Ebay is a factor to be reckoned with - like it or not, it's a huge AND accessible marketplace -Buyers have too much power and influence without responsibility or consequences -Sellers take on the responsibility and burden of fraud, scams, and unrealistic expectations I have been scammed a few times. Two are "shame on me" (tried to help a school administrator in China get a rare stamp by saving him shipping - got screwed and he said he never received - out $100, shipped a rare knife, dude returned a different/broken one and I never inspected and reported it - out $150). I've received negative feedback over a $3 item that was lost in the mail. Jerk got a refund and was out nothing - I on the other hand got negative feedback. Happened 2 times (albeit the second was a much larger item that eventually got returned because the idiot didn't sign for it and it was returned) and I lost my "Top Rated" discount seller status. I just stopped auctions and raised prices to ride it out. I think the single biggest issue is the buyers having no responsibility in the transaction. Ability to say or do as they wish with no consequences - and everything to gain from the scam. That has been the one change "for the worse" that has affected most sellers and I believe collectively (contact other collector boards - stamps, beanie babies, etc) we could do something about it. The other possibility in this great country is the ability to compete. And many are trying to compete with Ebay. If we did this as a group and said "Cointalk Officially Endorses _______ auctions" and got other groups to do it - there is the possibility of a cultural win - AND the fact that Ebay would have to take a look at the consequences of their decisions (and probably try a hostile buy-out of the endorsed auction site). But it would have to be VERY PUBLIC AND OUTSPOKEN to get attention. If we could get buyers to put skin in the game, we would all be better off. Large groups would have to convince Ebay that their business will go away if we don't get better protection as sellers. There will always be fraud in every walk of life, especially since we coddle criminals and allow them to roam free (until I'm elected President anyhow - in which case I'd be recommending the death penalty for all repeat offenses!) This all comes down to identity fraud and identity theft. If you had to use one account for life - things would be different. The ability to fire up a new "identity" and get back to scamming is the root source of this issue. I think if Ebay could resolve that - it would do a lot to mitigate the problem. All of this is predicated on an organized effort. One - or even several dozen people would have no affect. It would have to be "hundreds" to start the movement - and "thousands" to make it happen. Must be able to affect Ebay's bottom line. With PayPal out of the mix - it might be a bit easier to do. Tawk amongst yehselvez.... I'm getting verklempt! :facepalm:[/QUOTE]
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