How do I get rid of milk spots?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Gam3rBlake, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I won't tell you how to get pretty rainbow toning, but will say sulfur, oxygen exposure, fresh silver metal, and heat are all factors. AT use too much heat, not enough time and the other two. Lots of very pretty toned coins came from old sulfur rich albums placed in Midwestern homes for example.

    It can be done, but most anyone who 'tries" to do it gets it wrong and it can clearly be seen as artificial toning. The one that started you could try putting on a piece of manila paper and see what happens over time.
     
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  3. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    I know right??
     
  4. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Do you think it’s possible the toning could’ve been caused by trace amounts of sulphur from the guns also stored in the safe? I mean the guns are clean but trace elements could still exist.

    What do you think?
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Although there has been much speculation about what causes milk spots, absolutely no one has ever determined what causes them. But one thing is certain, they are not caused by the washing of the planchets. If it was, whatever substance it was in the wash solution would be on the surface of the coin and thus it could be safely and fairly easily removed. But since there is nothing that safely removes milk spots - whatever it is that's causing them - it's NOT on the surface. Milk spots are not on the surface - they are inside the metal itself.

    Milk spots are caused by something in the metal itself, but nobody has been able to figure out what it is or how it gets there. Reasoning would suggest that it's an impurity of some kind, similar, in nature at least, to the impurities that cause carbon spots and or copper spots - both of which are also in the metal itself.

    Quite a few years ago PCGS offered a $25,000 reward to anyone who could come up with a way to safely remove milk spots. The reward has never been claimed, and to the best of my knowledge it still stands.
     
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You DO NOT want to store guns and coins in the same safe !

    If you are storing coins in a safe there should be nothing in the safe except inert materials.
     
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  7. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member


    Sounds like I can’t blame the Chinese Mint on this one.

    If it’s happening to every Mint (including Australia!) it can’t be blamed on any Mint in my opinion.

    I was shocked to hear it happens to Australian coins just because of how high of a quality standard they adhere too

    But if quality isn’t the issue I’m curious what is?

    Must be a mystery yet to be solved.
     
  8. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Good to know! I should mention they were in a lockbox which was inside the safe.

    Now they are in a safe on their own.

    P.S. I would never store coins in a safe with guns. I only stored my bullion there.
     
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  9. Insider

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    baseball21, posted: "Some MS 70 would probably take that off, if not dipping it would but youll need to do research for that or find someone to do it. Honestly being bullion though you could just try soap and water first if you wanted.

    MS 70 will do NOTHING for your half dollar. As this poster wrote, it needs to be dipped. Soap and water will do NOTHING for your bullion either.

    On occasion, small milk spots can be removed from coins but the method and chemicals are proprietary. It is a good bet that several different conservation methods exist and each person has there own secrets. At one time, PCGS offered a reward for removing milk spots.
     
  10. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    How about tarnish? Will soap & water work for that?
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    What half dollar would that be? Bad look as a grader when its a 2016 ASE. Were there a lot of silver dollar sized half dollars with walker/ase obverses minted in 2016?

    There's a panda and an ASE posted in this thread...............

    What you were trying to correct was about his ASE not a half dollar.......
     
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  12. Insider

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    baseball21, posted: What half dollar would that be? Bad look as a grader when its a 2016 ASE. Were there a lot of silver dollar sized half dollars with walker/ase obverses minted in 2016?

    There's a panda and an ASE posted in this thread...............

    What you were trying to correct was about his ASE not a half dollar.......

    :oops: :facepalm::eggface: Thanks for the coin type correction. However, it does not change my comments to your post dealing with the use of MS-70 or soap & water. ;)
     
  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Key word was could try or probably, but what do I know. Silly me only could see that it was a 2016 ASE and not a half dollar
     
  14. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Melt it down for silver value, and replace it with a new unspotted one :troll:. Just kidding.
     
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Eh, that is what you effectively have to do. Sell it as junk silver, and pay the premium AGAIN to get the coin. I simply removed them, (superman, etc), from my kids coin pile into the "junk" silver pile. Normally I would replace them, but I am so disgusted and sick of it from Canada that I will not even replace them, vowing to never again buy any of their crap.
     
  16. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    The soap is pressed into the coin with approx 2tons of pressure and is now and FOREVER part of that coin, it was really a problem with proof sets in the mid-to-late fifties.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I have to disagree, that just isn't possible.

    The Proof sets of the 50s didn't get milk spots. They, like many other Proofs then and after, were and are known for developing what is referred to as haze - which is nothing more than one of the beginning stages of toning.
     
  18. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Agreed - I only buy the gold Maple Leafs - .9999 pure, lower premiums, no milk spots ;)
     
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