How dangerous are GMM’s as Counterfeits?

I would really be surprised on the PCGS
and NGC labeled coins not so much on
ANACS or IGC, can you post some examples ?

 

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Surprised? Well, my article series "Dark Corner" on Coin Week was about only counterfeits slabbed as genuine "coins". I refrained in those as well as here from showing the actual TPG slabs with labels (not really concerned with MUMISTRUST...). But this is another discussion from my posted topic.

 

I guess the question I have, is how do you know there counterfeit ? if the top
two TPG,S can’t tell, I find that just
a little scary for all coin collectors.

 

It is, which is why there are forums like this, Coin Week, etc to get the word out.

https://coinweek.com/author/jack-d-...wfX5S2VVYAJAvojIHddukNtc_tU_hZ5fCvKyf8tAer748

 

Excellent reading, thanks for sharing

 

Jack has dedicated his hobby-career to researching and identifying fakes. He's gotten really good at tracking down the super-fakes, Chinese (or otherwise) fakes that look so good that they fool even the best.

 

Some years ago I ordered the 1794 Gallery mint set upon the recommendation of a friend. I really wanted a 1795 set but they didn't make one: just the 1794. I was particularly interested in the half-dollar as I collected those. He had a set including gold: maybe it was a 1796 set, which looked really good.

Unfortunately, the 1794 half was a terrible reproduction: it was a crude caricature of the real piece. It had no grace at all, like the real Flowing Hair pieces and just looked crude and childish. I think they put no effort into their replicas of the Flowing Hair silver.

I put the set away in my junk box and never took it out again. I couldn't imagine GM sets fooling anybody although I recall the copper coins being much better copies than the silver.

 

but since they were copies weren’t they
labeled as much ?

 

All of the Gallery Mint pieces have "COPY" on the obverse or reverse. The trouble is the crooks hide the word and then try to sell them as genuine.

 

It’s pretty obvious though.

 

Good job my friend. I think your great for your work

 

Ain’t that a bitch. Thank god he’s one of our own

 

When Ron was creating the GMM reproductions, he made sure to make them different enough from the originals so that any attempt at attributing them to known authentic dies would fail should the coin be altered to remove the COPY stamp. He'd change stuff like date and letter position, configuration of hair curls, and wing feathers that wouldn't be noticed as being wrong unless someone actually did their due diligence.

 

Yes they are labeled as copies, I think on the reverse. I didn't buy the set to have them pose as real coins but to see what the Flowing Hairs looked like in high grades.

Once I passed on a slabbed 62 1795 half in an old holder. Now that was a nice coin. Could have bought it too but just started an engineering business.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1755221053..._sdGeXASCYOKe12ZgupFpJc6KDbZCdntRnha4VVixcvAw

 

Always enjoy reading your posts.

 

Got the orange hoodie.

 

Artificial aging - used by charlatans for centuries to deceive. Thanks for the post, very informative and interesting!

 

Tried to slip it under by ending the auction right after I notified him...